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Gordon McLeod
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I was very impressed with the new Curved gate assembly for the Victoria5. Rock steady image
and it appears to be relativly gentle on the film as well
Any other feed back yet


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Brent Otte
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any pics?

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John Walsh
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Can it be retro-fitted to older, existing V5's?

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Gordon McLeod
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Yes it will fit but a dremel tool is needed to grind down the back casting.
The apperture changer is a motor now that mounts in the back so if you use the single pulse to the turret to flipflop it some relays will have to be added

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Jonathan Haglund
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How do I get one (five, actually)???
Gimmie phone numbers, part numbers, anything. I must have these! Oh the shaking is so bad...

-Jonathan

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John Walsh
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Sorry; another question I should have asked eariler.... Can these new gates also be fitted to V9's?

Thanks for the pictures, BTW!

What lever does what? I'm guessing the bottom (round) knob is film tension; the center lever is to open/close the gate.

I can't figure out what that smaller, flat lever is at the top, next to the knurled screw for the laterial guide rollers.

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Gordon McLeod
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It snaps the gate shut
Jonathan contact your dealer or our company Entertainment Equip. Corp 1800 448 1656 we can supply them (shamless plug)

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Richard Fowler
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Shameless plug Gordon ..........
We received the first unit at the first of the year for testing on a 68 foot wide screen with beautiful results. We have 15 more being installed during this month. Cinemeccanica will continue to manufacture the older pocket straight gate for customers who prefer it. The factory had been talking about this for years and finally released it.
The gate is easy to clean by removing the black screwnut on the upper alinement rail (visible in photo #2 nest to the "N") and pushing fully down on the opening lever. Our concern was losing the screwnut in a dark booth but it will not impair operation if it is not replaced.
The tension knob is variable without click stops to fine tune the steadyness vs film wear issues.
Sorry for the long post...but I am doing paperwork in my office to prepare a crew for a job-site and Film-Tech is usually on somewhere on one of our workstations........
Richard Fowler
TVP-Theatre & Video Products Inc.
tvpmiami.com
Cinemeccanica since 1976

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Gordon McLeod
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I love the odd shameless plug now and then
We tested it on a very old V5 on a 40' screen and was very impressed
Also I must thank Richard who provided me with the photos since the ones I took got erased in the digital camera.
On the Vic 4 and Vic9 issue I don't think it will work since the apperture changer requires access right through the head through the gear compartment where a small motor is mounted. But then nothing is impossible


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Rick Long
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I got to see these gates in operation in a new ten-plex this weekend. IMHO they are well worth the money. Unfortunately, there was no time to run RP-40 to do side-by-side comparisons, but,as Gord says, the picture steadiness was amazing!


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David Kilderry
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Gordon,

We trialled a very early prototype 2 years ago (still on my shelf in the office) and found it promising. The unit is not as easy to thread as the straight gate, but any improvement in jitter and weave from Cinemeccanica is greatly appreciated. We'll have our first all curved gate multi open in a few months, I'll let you know how it goes on giant screens with huge light behind it.

David Kilderry

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Jack Johnston
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Gentlemen...thank you for the positive comments. The curved gate (part number D10329) may be retrofitted to any V5 in the field (sorry, will not fit the 9's or 4's) and, as was noted by the venerable Mr. Richard Fowler, has been implemented into our current manufacture. It cannot be used with a single lens turret. Higher wattage systems do require H2O cooling pipes, part number #D09293. You may obtain price & availability from your local cinema supply dealer. Thanx again for your support and with it we will continue to make a good thing better!

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John Pytlak
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Jack --- welcome to Film-Tech! Nice to have another equipment supplier "on board" with useful help and good advice. Give my regards to Vittore Nicelli.

Cinemeccanica article

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Gordon McLeod
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Interesting article I particularly liked the last line
" hear people selling electronic cinema equipment saying that a lot of money will be saved by not
making prints, and that may be true, but they never seem to mention how much money will be spent on
set up and maintenance. It seems like when you really look at it, nobody will save any-thing at all."
Personally I don't think there will be any saveing but actually higher costs all around

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Vernon Cramer
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Although this topic is somewhat old, we finally installed a curved gate on one of our Victoria 9s and the results are so remarkable I wanted to encourage anyone else with a Vic 5 or 9 that the curved gate is well worth the money. Everything we've run through it is virtually rock-steady on the screen, even with the tension set at the lowest setting. Ran our SMPTE focus loop and you had to look very closely to detect any movement at all.

Although it was noted somewhere else on this thread that the gate will not fit a Victoria 9, the curved gate assembly will actually fit if the projector has the newer two-lens turret (some minor grinding on the projector housing is required before the assembly will line up properly with the holes on the projector head). Unfortunately, the older three-lens turrets do not have enough clearance for the curved gate assembly.

If you have a Vic 9, 5, or even a 4 and have the newer two-lens turret but are using the old-style gate, the curved gate will make a world of difference in what you see on the screen and is well worth the investment.

Threading the newer gate is significantly different but after a threading a couple of test loops a few times I was getting quite comfortable with it. You also do have to watch the size of the top loop with the new gate when threading. However, these inconveniences are very, very minor when compared with the benefit of gaining an incredibly stable of the image on screen.

For all you Cinemeccanica fans with Vic 5s or 9s (and probably 4s) the curved gate is a must. I recommend it highly.

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