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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-27-2001 12:03 PM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What weighting do you use on your RTA, when you do a "B" chain tune up? "A" "C" or none?

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Greg Mueller
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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 05-27-2001 12:17 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Usually C Weighting. Same for the SPL meter (if applicable).

Aaron


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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-27-2001 05:47 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Greg,
I may be up next week. Do you want me to bring my R-2 with and tune your room?
MArk @ GTS

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-27-2001 06:16 PM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What?
Deprive me of countless hours of fiddling?
What's an R2?
(I sure hope you plan some time to visit)

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Greg Mueller
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Greg,
Its the THX spectrum analyzer.......da best in da buisness.....I'll make time this time.
Mark

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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 05-27-2001 10:51 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark: Are you still interested in that sound equipment?

Aaron

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-28-2001 11:11 AM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sure Mark, bring it. It will be interesting to see how bad my tune up job is

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Gordon McLeod
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C weighting should only be used for the spl display not the rta display as you will see a change in the HF response
Certain analyzers switch both the RTA and the SPL displays togather

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 05-28-2001 12:17 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wait, wait...Weighting on the analyzer?

While some find it convienent to have an inverse "x" weighting impressed onto the display..C weighting make no sense for an RTA display. In some rare circumstances, "A" weighting can be used while making noise measurments but often is not needed either.

Now as to the SPL meter....they only make sense when they DO have a weighting (unless you are positive that the meter has more bandwidth than that which you are measuring. For theatres, "c" weighting on the SPL meter yields a meaningful number.

Steve

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Greg Mueller
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Hmmm
My RTA has a filter that goes between the mic and the RTA. You can select "C" or "A" or take it out for none. My RTA is an Audio Control unit.
So should I take the filter out?

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Gordon McLeod
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Filter out for RTA (ie equalization)
Filter C in for SPL measurements

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Steve Guttag
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As an experiment, try inserting and removing the filter...I'd be surprised if you see a difference on the RTA display though you might see a change in the SPL measurement.

But Gord is correct, no weighting on RTA but "C" weighting on SPL...

Are you SURE that there is a separate switch for the RTA display to have weighting and that it isn't just for the SPL display?

Steve

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Gordon McLeod
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I know for a fact that the Goldline and the PCRTA software have a common filter for SPL and RTA functions so the RTA display switchs with the SPL on the weighting this is for OSHA testing
Some of the ABBACUS units do as well
THE audio control did on certain software revisions
see if the 1/3 octave display changes when the weighting is selected

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Greg Mueller
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 - posted 05-28-2001 10:53 PM      Profile for Greg Mueller   Author's Homepage   Email Greg Mueller   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'll try that stuff next time. I didn't know listening to pink noise all day could be so fatiguing. I'm bushed. I took the filter out of the line and did it that way. I know there's no weighting, for sure. Thanks for all the help guyszzzzzzzzz.

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