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Author Topic: Message to Projectionists, etc re Moulin Rouge
Scott Madsen
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 - posted 05-23-2001 09:42 PM      Profile for Scott Madsen   Email Scott Madsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
BoxOffice.Com

ExhiBrief: A Message to Exhibitors From Baz Luhrmann
5/24/01

Fox is sending out the following note on presentation to exhibitors from Baz Luhrmann, director of the studio's "Moulin Rouge," which played at two New York and L.A. theatres to sold-out crowds over the weekend (grossing $167,540 for an average of $83,770) and which goes wide on June 1:

To the Exhibitor,

Two points that I would like to raise about Moulin Rouge. Firstly the film begins in black before the Fox logo and you hear the sound of the audience murmuring. I mention this so that projectionists are aware of exactly what to expect.

I would like to make another point. As Moulin Rouge is a musical the sound level is very important and we have found that the show has been playing very well in various sized houses at 6.5 (on your sound meter), although in a very big space you may find 7 is appropriate. I know that you will determine the correct level in your particular house and I thank you for taking the time to make this adjustment.

I know that the most important moment in the film's life is in your hands and I pass on these remarks so that we can get the best results for our most precious audience.

Warmest Regards,

Baz Luhrmann
Director of Moulin Rouge



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Rory Burke
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That is a refreshing letter...or at least the intent of the best most accurate sound possible......sad part is it will generally be ignored or trumped by some theater manager as to not sway from the typical settings.. oh well what can you do.

Rory

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John Pytlak
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I've copied the message into the Feature Info and Trailer Attachments forum, under "Moulin Rouge".

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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John Wilson
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Our copy of the letter also states that...

'The opening scenes are out of focus and dirty so as depict an old film. This is intentional. Please do not try to focus on these scenes' or some such thing...

Two points I will (sadly) make to Baz...

1. The multiplex kids don't focus the films anyway and...

2. They'll have the entire print scratched before you know it, so you could have saved your money on those scratchy effects.



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Aldo Baez
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I also got another fax with this fax saying that there is about 8 feet? (or 12 seconds) or something to that effect of blank film where music is just playing before the credits/movie starts. It reminds not to cut it off but to keep it on.

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Joe Schmidt
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This sounds like a good movie!

I'll make a note on the computer to remind me to catch it when the DVD comes out.

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John Pytlak
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Joe said: "I'll make a note on the computer to remind me to catch it when the DVD comes out."

Cruel.

Joe -- you need to get back into the business and run a theatre that knows how to "Do Film Right".

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

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Will Morrow
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It was mentioned above that kids at the multiplexes do not focus their films. I work for a multiplex, and I focus the film. I am 22, so maybe I am not considered a kid. What jives?

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Tom Evans
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I am also 22, I work at a 30 screen megaplex. There is 7 projectionists in the team, about 4 people working through-out each day, running on average 12 screens a piece. Our average age is 24. We all check the start-up of each film, and the start of every feature including focus, framing, fuzzy edges, misframes etc, etc. I believe that this level of consistency lies within a common agreement between the projectionists and the chief. We also have a superb team of ushers and floor staff who keep an eye-out for us. Team-work dedication and communication!!!!

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John Pytlak
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We all have to start somewhere. I was 18 when I started working as a projectionist.

Theatres that provide proper training and incentive to learn the needed skills generally have excellent projection and sound. Their projectionists are encouraged to really care about presentation quality and make projection a career. Theatres that treat the projection room as a "revolving door" minimum wage job of threader and button-pusher, or an add-on to a busy manager's schedule, generally get what they pay for -- poor projection.

I agree that AGE has nothing to do with a person having the knowledge, skills, and passion (!!!) to be a good projectionist. A really good projectionist LOVES film (although it usually isn't their only love ).

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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John Wilson
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If you are 22, then no, you are not a kid (However, as you get older you will most likely look back and think you really were )

I mean the 15 and 16 year olds who don't give a rats arse about what they are doing. They are out there and it is commonly known that they are, with a very few exceptions, not capable of seeing the job as anything more than that...a job. Hence, they do not care about what they are doing and are not attentive to the basics of the booth.


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David Kilderry
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A further paragraph from the Baz Luhrmann memo reminded all that the film would look its best with 16fl at centre screen.

We ran the premiere here in Melbourne for Baz and Nicole Kidman. The initial tech. screenings were ran at 19fl centre screen. Fox requested some extra oomph so we ran at 21fl for the actual premiere screening. We had show prints and the film dazzled on screen.

As the film was only finished days before, we ran in Dolby Digital as the DTS was not ready.

I can't actually remember the last time a director asked for the SMPTE standard (196M I think)of screen luminence to be provided for his film. Most are so worried about the sound which varies so much from house to house.

I know that screenings of Moulin Rouge at other circuits here ran at around 12fl. Where does all the light go? Assuming the theatre is correctly equiped in the first place, add this up.

Old lamp 15%
Poor alignment 15%
Dirty mirror 10%
Dirty lens 5%
Dirty heat shield 5%
Dirty port glass 5%
Dirty screen 5%

I think you will agree I have understated the actual effect that many of these areas can have in reality, but the loss at this imaginary theatre is a whopping 60%!!!!

Is this your theatre????

Most theatres never guess with sound alignments and have good equipment to test and align. Unfortunately most theatres do just stab in the dark with light.

If you do not have a light meter, you are only guessing and have no hope of delivering to your audience the directors intention.

David Kilderry

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John Pytlak
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I agree, quality is dramatically better with higher screen luminance. Here are some articles I wrote about proper screen luminance and how to measure and maintain it:
Let There Be Light
Don't Be in the Dark About Measuring Screen Luminance
Shedding Light on Screen Luminance Meters
Conquering Contrast Killers

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion


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Peter Berrett
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Speaking of light I just saw 'The Mummy Returns' at the Coburg Drive-in here in Melbourne. I noticed that some parts of the film were quite dark and it was a little difficult to make out what action was taking place. I don't know whether this was a luminescence issue or just the film.

Obviously a poor illuminated film would compound such problems for the theatre going public. Generally Coburg's films are pretty well illuminated so I guess it was the film.

cheers Peter


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Michael Barry
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Peter: See my post in the thread 'They can tell the difference! (when it's done right)' for an account of my experience with 'The Mummy Returns'.

It may be that your print of the movie is printed too dark, but ours absolutely glows! Even the darkest scenes are full of shadow detail and every detail is laid bare.

BTW, there is still not a single mark or speck of dirt on our print of TMR. Just jaw-dropping from start to finish! Drool...

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