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Thomas Hauerslev
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Does anyone at FT have any recollection of Universal's Sensurround system (developed by W. O. Watson and Richard Stumpf). How it worked, BGW amplifiers, Cervin Vega speakes, procesors etc.?

I saw, or rather heard "Earthquake" in 70mm with Sensuround in August 1979 at the 3 Falke Bio http://hjem.get2net.dk/in70mm/cinemas/bioweb/sjaelland/cph/3fb/3fb_gb.htm

It was quite spectacular for a 16-year old film-buff like me at that time. Apparently there were several kits in Denmark that was moved with the films from cinema to cinema that showed either: "Earthquake", "Battle of Midway", "Rollercoaster" and "Battlestar Galactica".

In 1981 I worked briefly at Cinema International Pictures (European distribution arm of MGM, Universal and Paramount at that time). I remember all the speaker cabinets had been chopped to pieces and the woofers were stored in the basement. And there were MANY! Some amps were still there, but they were sold off later.

I was thinking of publishing a story about Sensurround in "..in 70mm", but information about this is rare.

Can anyone help, or would anyone consider writing the story???

All the best
Thomas
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Evans A Criswell
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According to one source, Sunsurround worked by injecting 5-40Hz tones at 110-120 dB based on information on the control track on the film.

Source: http://www.mtsu.edu/~smpte/seventies.html

Here is another source that says the same thing:
http://www.geocities.com/Rag_Tag_Fleet/secondcoming.html

I was hoping a WWW search would show more information. This type of information needs to be preserved.


Evans


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John Pytlak
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Thomas:

I've worked with Richard Stumpf on several SMPTE and Inter-Society projects. I will forward your request for information directly to him.

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Gordon McLeod
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this is the patent on the system
US1978000907838

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Greg Mueller
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Thomas
I think if you look back in the archives you will find a pretty good discussion about this topic. I remember one, maybe a year ago or so.
I saw Earthquack and Midway. The sensurround effect was amusing but the movies weren't to good

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John Walsh
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Yep; check out the postings here for "Sensurround" dated 02-01-2000.

Were there any 70mm Sensurround films besides Earthquake?


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John Pytlak
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John: To quote from the link Evans cited:

"Later that year Sensuround, a system developed by W. O. Watson and Richard Stumpf at Universal Pictures, was released. This format injected tones from
5 - 40 Hz at 110 - 120 dBbased on control track information on the film. Sensurround Some Sensurround movies included Earthquake!, Midway,
Battlestar Galactica, and Rollercoaster.
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In those days, there may have been a few 70mm prints of each. Widescreen Review had a recent listing of every 70mm release they could recall, even if it was only a few prints.

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Jeff Taylor
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FWIW, I clearly remember seeing Midway first run in a 35mm-only single screen 750 seat suburban theater in New Jersey years ago. It definitely had the full Sensurround effects, so the 70mm prints weren't the only ones sent out with the control tracks and audio packages. Even without sensurround, though, I still enjoy my print of the title.

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William T. Parr
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I remember seeing an ad for the movie Midway in 35 mm Sensurround for the UA Ayers theatre in Corpus.


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Thomas Hauerslev
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Thanks so far, keep it coming. I shall have a look at previous discussions on Sensurround at FT.

It just struck me why Dolby Laboratories named their 70mm format "Baby Boom". Quite obviously, Sensurround was the BIG boom.

"Earthquake" was the only Sensurround title shown in 70mm in Denmark.

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Robert Throop
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In 1982 I bought 2 complete Sensurround installations from Universal. I was an exhibitor at the time and I used the power amps (Cerwin Vega A 2200) and the subwoofers at a couple of my theatres. I also have an installation manual. Afaik 70mm prints were only used in Europe. Even the Ziegfeld in NYC and the Chinese in LA used 35mm prints(albeit 4 track mag).

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John Walsh
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Robert;

It would be great if you could copy that Sensurround installation manual (or loan it to Brad to copy.) He could put it on the manual download page. I know several people would be very interested to read it.

The IMDB lists Earthquake (Earthquack! ha-ha!) as the only 70mm Sensurround feature (I'm not counting theme park rides, etc.) Although I know the IMDB is not the most accurate source.


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Gordon McLeod
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In toronto sensurround was 70mm at 2 of the odeon theatres except for battlestar
earthquake was also in 4 track mag with dbx NR
it required the projectionist to push a button from a cue sheet
The system also used the tones to stear the lf noise in somecases
Each film had mods required to the unit

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Paul Mayer
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We just had a monthly SMPTE/AES meeting at the Hitchcock Theater on the Universal Studios lot. This theater uses eight modified Sensurround cabinets lined up under the screen for subs. The staff indicated that the room is flat down to 15Hz (was 10Hz but it was making people ill). For the meeting they ran the depthcharge reel from U-571. Those concussions were making me ill sitting about 3/4 of the way back.

Using such a theater as a mixdown stage makes me wonder though, since no commercial theater would have a sub system like that. But that's another thread...

Paul Mayer, OOF SMPTE
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Mark Lensenmayer
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I believe there were 3 types of Sensurround. In EARTHQUAKE, there was a low frequency random noise generator that was toggled on and off at, if I recall correctly, 2 different sound levels. In MIDWAY, ROLLERCOASTER and BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA, there were tones that triggered sound through the Sensurround speakers. There was also another form that was used in ZOOT SUIT. I don't know many details of this, but it was more for sound quality than power. I know this played the Cinerama Dome, but I don't know of any other engagements.

I have an issue of AMERICAN CINEMATOGRAPHER that has a number of details on the system used in EARTHQUAKE.

Sensurround was really a cheesy gimmick, but when those speakers kicked in, you knew it! On the LP for Earthquake, there was a short section recorded with the full low-end range of the earthquake, You could see the individual grooves on that section. It also wiped out the amp stage of my receiver at the time!

Slightly changing gears here, does anyone remember a film in the early '80's by AC-DC that toured around with its own sound system? It wasn't Sensurround, but it was a powerful system.

Mark Lensenmayer

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