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Brad Miller
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Today is indeed a sad day today, as the magnificent General Cinema Northpark 1 & 2 theater in Dallas, Texas is being murdered. This theater set the standard for presentation in projection and sound quality and has not been duplicated since it's closing on October 21, 1998. It was closed by the ever-greedy Mr. Nasher of the Northpark mall in his desire to turn such "wasted space" into a Foley's. Recently a couple of parties with the financial resources and desire to restore this fabulous theater approached the Nashers, but they were not interested and coincidentally enough, the theater was quickly slated for destruction.

It is ashamed at what greed will do to a person. The Nashers are more than financially set, yet they proceeded to destroy a staple landmark of the movie industry so they can expand the mall for more retail space. This theater could have been reopened as the "show theater of Dallas", which it always was before and bring people back into the mall. I guess having another store that sells overpriced soap is more important.  - What do you think?

Pictures of the demolishing can be seen by CLICKING HERE.

Pictures of this theater when it was still open can be seen by clicking "pictures" below and selecting "GCC Northpark 1 & 2".

[ 08-16-2004, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Brad Miller ]

John Pytlak
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A very sad day indeed!


I fondly remember seeing a 70mm DTS print of "Titanic" at the GCC Northpark with a group of other Kodak
engineers on February 3, 1998. "Perfection" --- what more can I say? Great sound, flawless print, bright and
steady picture. The theatre's modest "mall" exterior and tiny lobby hid the gem that was inside. After the show,
Ron Beardmore graciously gave us a tour of the booth, and shared his love of the 70mm format and projection with
us.

AFAIK, that 70mm print of "Titanic" was the same one screened at the White House, and personally approved by director James Cameron --- which shows how much distributors appreciated the quality of presentation at the Northpark.

A perfect example of "Film done RIGHT!"


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Joe Redifer
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I have never had the fortune to visit the Northpark theater. But I have heard many stories about it, and I certainly do not doubt its greatness and significance. With so many lousy theaters in operation today, the movie industry really NEEDS a place like this.

Mr. Nasher... I don't know you.... but I'm pointing at you.

Ken Layton
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It's greed pure and simple. Too bad greed drives him.

Mark Gulbrandsen
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Mr Nasher, You're an iddiott. I'll be looking down on you where ever you go.
Mark

Jeremy Spracklen
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It is a sad day indeed. I will never forget the time that I spent there learning and being entertained. Not only was the presentation flawless, but the projectionists were always friendly and happy to oblige when asked for a booth tour. When in the booth, you were surrounded by history, and not just the normal "history" of old movie posters and banners that most movie theaters contain. They had kept a wall of fame that held old newspaper articles and comment cards that were collected throughout the years. These were from regular people who were all amazed by what they saw, and felt they had to speak up about it. The city of Dallas has trully lost something wonderful.

And to Mr. Nasher, I am also pointing at you. However, unlike Joe, I am using a different finger.

Mitchell Cope
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I fondly remember seeing "The Graduate" there, probably sometime just after it opened in the mid-60s. It was "the place" to go with a date, plus it was probably the only movie theater in town showing the most popular 1st run movies.

In those days, it had the "classic" General Cinema Corp shadowbox design. Dallas has lost too many excellent movie theaters. I still lament over the loss of the "Palace" downtown.

Ethan Harper
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I never had a chance to experience Northpark. Although, I have heard many great stories from those who had gotten a chance to see their flawless presentation continuously. I wish that I could have been able to be lucky enough to see for myself but unfortunantely, Mr. Nasher for some unknown reason, decided to take it upon himself and DESTROY such a proud theater. What a travesty this is. I do not understand why anybody in their right mind would take such a phenomenal place away. Especially if finances were available to re-open Dallas's superior show theater. That is just pure stupidity! Northpark will surely forever be missed by those who have witnessed it's spectacular, perfect performances, and by those who haven't.

Mr. Nasher, Thank you for taking such an awaited, historical experience away from everybody. Your greed has exceeded you. what an ass!!!

I have heard several stories about other people's experience at Northpark. I wonder if there could be anybody else out there that could share some more with me.

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Jason Burroughs
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Mr Nasher has had a reputation for putting the dollar before anything else. The demise of Northpark is further proof.

It is a black eye to Dallas to loose such a great theatre for good. Many people throughout the area were hopeing for its triumphant return. What is even MORE sad is that we have not only lost a great theatre but opened the door for a new AMC mulitplex. Thats right, AMC has been in talks with Mr. Nasher about building a new google plex near the Northpark Mall.

Paul G. Thompson
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I have seen poor people on this earth that are as happy and contented as can be. Then I have also seen very wealthy people who are the most miserable SOB's you can imagine. I'll almost be willing to bet Nasher, Smasher, or whatever his name is fits in the SOB column. The world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.

For those who remember Harry Truman, he said it correctly. Mr. Truman said, "The problem with the people in this country is they worship money."

I'll be almost willing to bet that Nasher is one of those who worships money.


Richard C. Wolfe
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I'm wondering how to enter this discussion without offending anyone.I think each generation has its own definition of standards that they judge their own time by.What is considered superior to one generation may be considered just ordinary to another. Those of us that grew up prior to the sixties were devastated to see the great theatres of our and previous generations destroyed and replaced by theatres such as the GCC Northpark 1 & 2.

Maybe they had excellent projection and sound, comfortable seats, were clean and many of them even had a curtain. But where was the showmanship, and more then that, where was the theatrical invionment? A bland box for auditoriums, lobbies that were no better. It's a shame that we brought up a generation thinking that these were great theatres. We can't blame that generation as it wasn't their fault. They were robbed of the opportunity to experience really great theatres. Some of them are still around, but are now Performing Arts centers. If you want to see some magnificent theatres which were built for the presentation of movies, go visit the Fox's in St Louis, Detriot, or Atlanta, the Shea's Buffalo in Buffalo, Radio City in New York, the Chicago in Chicago, the Los Angelas in LA, the Paramount in Oakland and the list goes on and on. Every city and town had a theatre or theatres of that caliber, maybe much smaller, but just as flamboyant.

I never thought that I would see the day that anyone would miss a theatre built in the sixties or later. My generation thought of them as depressing substitutes for the real thing.

I do realize that they represent the best of the post TV generation... so forgive me for my comments. I will let you mourn your loss as we mourned ours. I'm just saddened that you didn't have the opportunity to experience the movie palace era. There will never be another like it.

Paul G. Thompson
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Richard, you didn't offend me. Seeing a "Grand Old Lady" fall is not a pleasent thing. Luckly, Historical Societies were able to rescue a few. I wish they could have rescued more. It is likewise a shame to see some of these magnificant theaters butchered to add more little boxes called auditoriums.

Brad Miller
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Richard, since you are unfamiliar with this theater allow me to elaborate as to why it is missed so much. The Northpark theater was known for it's presentation quality. Sure there are older theaters that have magnificent muriels on the walls and all sorts of decorative touches to them and I have visited many of them. (The recently restored Paramount theater in Abilene, Texas is an excellent example of a classic grand single screen. They even have twinkling stars and moving clouds on the ceiling.) They are indeed quite impressive places to visit, but they all suffer in terms of presentation due to acoustics, small screen size, keystoning due to the incredibly high booth atop the balcony (or 2nd balcony) and so forth and so on. Unfortunately, when it comes down to presentation they quite simply could not touch the presentation quality of Northpark.

I am not trying to say the older classic theaters built in the first half of the last century are not magnificent in their own respects, but past the eye candy part of them their presentation has many faults. The same analogy can be made today. If I am choosing a multiplex to attend, I will not attend a theater just because it has neon in the lobby or because I like the drapes on the walls. I make my selection based upon the care of the film handling as well as the equipment and acoustic design of the auditoriums. In short, once the lights dim, all that matters is the picture on the screen and the quality of the sound. Sure the Northpark theater didn't have fancy chandelirs or muriels on the walls, but that isn't what experiencing a movie at the Northpark was about. The lobby was small and could not handle the volume of customers. (Imagine 1200 patrons exiting a movie all at once.) The bathrooms only had a couple of stalls in them! The box office only had 2 stations and frequently people had to stand in extremely long lines wrapping around the building just to get a ticket. In short this theater had many flaws in it's design, but in regards to the actual presentation of the film, nothing else came close nor has ever since.

Seeing a movie at the Northpark was always about presentation, and nothing more.

Aaron Haney
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Brad, can I use the "F" word on this forum? If so I have something I would like to say to Mr. Nasher.

On second thought, I have something to say even without the "F" word:

I will not patronize the Northpark Mall ever again!

I would suggest that anyone else who lives in Dallas do the same.

I was born in the Dallas area, I grew up there, and lived never more than an hour's drive away until just three short years ago. I frequently go back for a visit. Ever since I moved away, I have waited to do my Christmas shopping until after I returned to Dallas to visit my family, and the Northpark mall was always part of that shopping trip. Not anymore. Not ever again.

The Northpark 1-2 theater was responsible for my love of movies, for my love of 70mm, and for my love of the theatrical experience. Before I was able to drive I would beg and plead with my parents to take me to the Northpark to see movies. After I was able to drive, I rarely went to see movies anywhere else. I had other theaters that I liked, but none compared to Northpark.

Yes, it really was that good. I recently exchanged e-mail with someone who would regularly drive 200 miles to visit the Northpark theater.

If I close my eyes, I can still see and hear in my mind the magnificent presentations that took place there. I do not believe these memories are enhanced by nostalgia. As I grew up and my perceptions and tastes became more sophisticated, the Northpark still continued to impress me.

I actually liked waiting in line at the Northpark 1-2, even in the rain. I've still not seen another theater that has picture quality quite like it. And with 70mm dead as a doornail and TI's crappy 1280x1024 digital "cinema" system threatening to take over everything, I guess I never will again.

My hands are shaking as I type this. I feel like someone just killed my dog.

Brad, I am curious about these parties who were wishing to revive the theater. Were you involved with them? Can you give us more information? Also, I thought the equipment had been removed and sold. If so, unless the exact same equipment was taken back and installed and tuned the same way, it would not have been the same.

The idea of AMC building one of their horrible "theaters" in its place just adds insult to injury. If anyone from AMC is reading this: Don't even try. You will never be as good.

Richard, Brad is right. This theater was not known for its decor. It was known for its presentation. And when the lights go down, that's all that matters. A full-blown "palace" design would have been nice, but that's not what made this theater great.

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Dwayne Caldwell
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The very first movie I ever saw was Star Wars. I was probably three and a half maybe just four years old, and I saw it at the Northpark 1 and 2 theatre. Needless to say the experience blew me away (as my mother can attest having told me on numerous occasions that both my brother and I had our eyes glued to the screen at every moment). So it can be said that my passion for films bloomed at that very location, and holds a special place in my heart. Even if it is just a sixties movie theatre. I saw numerous shows there including all the Star Wars films with the exception of Episode one. It didn’t feel right not being able to watch Phantom Menace at the Northpark theatre since they shut it down. I always felt though that as long as the building stood, there might be a chance of its resurrection. But now Mr. Nasher has utterly destroyed it. Now normally I’d just shake my head in irritation and shrug at the fact that consumerism has won out once again. But I’m afraid I can’t just shake my head this time.

I honestly have to say that Mr. Nasher is a complete and total BASTARD! I apologize to the members of the forum for using such a vulgar term but BASTARD seems to be the only adjective suitable enough to describe this BASTARD’S actions without getting into some really heavy language. But I don’t expect Mr. Nasher (a.k.a. BASTARD) to understand the effects of his actions. I know I’m not alone on this. There were several letters in one of the Dallas Morning News papers in October of ‘98 sharing the common viewpoint that shutting down the Northpark 1 and 2 was disheartening as well as a mistake. But as I understand it Mr. BASTARD doesn’t like movies that much to begin with. It’s his mall. Let the BASTARD do what he likes. It doesn’t mean I have to like it though.

But that mall seems to cater only to the rich or extremely snobby. Anyone on this forum who has ever been inside the mall will know what I’m talking about. There are clothing stores galore along with expensive interior restaurants. But I don’t remember seeing any bookstores inside. At least none worth talking about. Oh but they got Abercrombie, Pier One Imports, and several other high fashion clothing outlet stores. Now that I think about it, I don’t think there’s anything inside that costs less than six fifty. That’s why the movie theater has to go! Come to think about it, most paperbacks are about six dollars, so maybe that’s why there’s hardly a bookshop in sight inside that mall. Just because Mr. Nasher’s preferred clientele enjoy epicurean raiment and edible delights is no reason to expect they’d enjoy broadening their imagination with a good book, is there? Oh but these people are willing to shell out fifty dollars for a stinking aromatherapy candle!

Anyway many thanks Nasher for dozing down my childhood memories like so much clutter. Thank you for marring and tainting Northpark’s sacred ground so you can service the hundreds of snobby customers while denying the thousands upon thousands of movie customers a place to enjoy a truly remarkable film presentation. You grumpy old BASTARD!


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