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John Gordon
Film Handler

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Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 02-09-2001 03:50 PM      Profile for John Gordon   Email John Gordon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For those visiting ShoWest, I invite you to stop by our booth for a chat and of course to see our products. Be sure to also stop in and see all the other exhibitors as well. And if you get the chance and want to see a huge cinema set-up, go to the convention floor where the screenings are held. It's not the best environment, but have you ever been in a auditorium where 80 QSC amplifiers are powering the room--and yes, this is one screen. And yes, that is eighty (80)amplifiers.

For those interested in having a training session to learn the workings of our DCM crossover/booth monitor, DCA amps and DSP-3 modules, come see me at the our booth. Training can be at the booth or arrangements can be made to train off the show floor.

And for my final plug, for those visiting ShoWest, if you would like to plan an extra day or two prior to the show, Feb. 26 - Mar. 2, or after the show, Mar. 9th, and want to visit sourthern Calif., you are welcome to come by for a visit and tour of our factory. My only request is to please call ahead. And if you have more time, this would also be a good time to visit the new Disny California Park, which is only 8 miles up the road from QSC, to see the three movie related attractions (see Disney post).


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John Gordon
Cinema Applications Engineer
QSC Audio Products, Inc.
1675 MacArthur Blvd.
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
(714)754-6175
john_gordon@qscaudio.com
http://www.qscaudio.com

Jerry Chase
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Margate, FL, USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 02-09-2001 06:18 PM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ohferchrisake. 80 amplifiers? What does this have to do with reality on this planet? If one won't work to impress me, will 80?

I don't doubt that you have a good product, but this is the type of stuff that has made me stay away from the exhibition floor the past two years.

My product is aimed at independents and small circuits. Yours appears to be aimed at the Bronx. How about a simple link to your website that details why you are good?


Gordon McLeod
Film God

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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
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 - posted 02-09-2001 06:52 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John see you there

Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999


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I'll be there for sure.... save a couple T-shirts for me?

-Aaron


Ian Price
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Denver, CO
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 - posted 02-09-2001 07:26 PM      Profile for Ian Price   Email Ian Price   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I'm sure that everybody will be able to hear the boom box that the union will plug in while they set this room. But I wouldn't want to listen to a movie through it. 80 amps seems like overkill but what the hell, QSC has lots and as Tim Allen is fond of saying 'There's no such thing as too much power. Grunt grunt grunt!

I look forward to hearing it. That is a huge room and I have has some experience in huge rooms. Sometimes it takes multiple speaker arrays and delays to make the system listenable. This is an arena and I am sure that the acoustics are less than ideal.


John Eickhof
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Wendell, ID USA
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 - posted 02-09-2001 10:49 PM      Profile for John Eickhof   Author's Homepage   Email John Eickhof   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi John! I will definitely stop in! Is Barry going to be on hand? Anyway, for thoise who think 80 amps is quite enough, you must take into account various factors of filling a room that seats 4-5000 people! There are various time delays, and zones and lost of level adjustments to be made to insure a smooth sound throughout such a large area. Actually 80 amplifiers isn't to large a number! Some outdoor arenas & stadiums can employ half again as many! So I wouldn't worry about 'ear splitting' noise! I am sure if QSC has anything to do with it, the sound will be a smooth as silk! (except for a renagade producer / director or two!)

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John Eickhof President, Chief Slave
Northwest Theatre Equipment Co., Inc.
P.O.Box 258
Wendell, ID. 83355-0258
208-536-5489
email: jeickhof@nteequip.com

John Walsh
Film God

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From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 02-09-2001 11:08 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, that's what I was thinking... 80 amps is not for loudness, it's for control.

Jerry Chase
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 - posted 02-10-2001 09:36 AM      Profile for Jerry Chase   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"There are various time delays, and zones and lost of level adjustments to be made to insure a smooth sound throughout such a large area."

LOL When I first read this, I thought "Time Zones?! It's _that_ big?!"

I don't doubt the need for delays, etc., since as a teenager I used to pull wire for my father, who wired a large school gymnasium for a PA system. I had nightmares for weeks about miles long 70vt audio cable and his attempts to reduce echo and delays in a large room that had nothing but hard surfaces.

I'm sure everyone knows their stuff, and I'm sure "state of the art" has changed many times over from those days when toolkits included two suitcase sized cases filled with vacuum tubes. Still, to me, there is something macabre about using 80 amplifiers to power a single room. If California ever gets word of this, they'll pressure the crew at Boulder Dam to shut it down.

Roger Frazee
Film Handler

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From: Knoxville, TN, USA
Registered: Nov 2000


 - posted 02-10-2001 01:09 PM      Profile for Roger Frazee   Email Roger Frazee   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John:

I am looking forward to seeing you, Barry, and the rest of the QSC gang at ShoWest.

Making the convention hall sound good is, indeed, a challenge. I know you guys are up to it.

Roger


John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 02-10-2001 07:26 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
IMHO, the product reel screenings at ShoWest always run the levels way too high --- almost ear splitting volume. I guess the distributors want to be sure to drown out any conversation at the tables.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man

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From: Mount Vernon WA USA
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 - posted 02-10-2001 08:53 PM      Profile for Paul G. Thompson   Email Paul G. Thompson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wish I could be there to see it.

QSC amplifiers are one of the finest in the industry.

Jeffry L. Johnson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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 - posted 02-11-2001 10:07 AM      Profile for Jeffry L. Johnson   Author's Homepage   Email Jeffry L. Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Those product reel sound levels are determined by the distributors. A studio executive previews their product reel and sets the sound level at the "proper" loudness.

It's probably like trailers. Nobody wants their product reel to be quieter than everyone elses.

Plus, there seems to be a "perfect" sound level that really draws you into the experience. Below that level the sound is just "there" but doesn't have the impact of sweeping you into the motion picture experience. Above that level the sound is painful. I've always wondered if this level varies among individuals and varies with age.

I was part of Ultratech's projection team and ran those ShoWest product reels for several years.

John Pytlak
Film God

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Who's projecting the product reels at ShoWest this year? Ultratech? Boston Light & Sound? Are they all on film?

I was very disappointed at the product reels screened at the ShowEast functions in Orlando. They tried to use Digital Projection with NTSC video material (not even sure they used a line doubler or progressive scan, or any enhancement). IMHO, most of it looked and sounded like s--t!

The film screenings at the AMC Pleasure Island were fine.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Cell: 716-781-4036 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com
Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion

John Gordon
Film Handler

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 - posted 02-13-2001 04:57 PM      Profile for John Gordon   Email John Gordon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, here is the scoop on the ShoWest product reel screenings.
The screenings will be held in the Paris Ballroom. The room is huge. Roughly 380’ x 225’ with ceiling height ranging from 30’ to 34’. This is roughly 85,000 sq. ft. or 2.7 million cubic feet. Installation is by Boston Light & Sound.

Speakers: EV
Screen: X-Arrays.
Surrounds: X-Arrays (bi-amped) and SX-300’s
Subs: 16 TL 880’s
Amps: QSC DCA series
42 DCA 1622
26 DCA 2422
12 DCA 3422

There will be a total of 7 sound racks: 2 in the booth which will include all processing and EQ, 1 rack on left wall for left surround, 1 rack on right wall for right surround, 3 racks up front for screen and subs, and the final rack will be in the booth or placed near the back wall.

Audio distribution will be via QSC RAVE units (Routing Audio Via Ethernet). The RAVE can send 64 channels of uncompressed 20bit, 48kHz digital audio through a single CAT 5 cable—no multi cable runs here. The units will consist of:
8 RAVE 160 (16 analog output channels, ea. unit)
8 RAVE 161 (16 analog input channels, ea. unit)
(total system, up to 128 channels of distributed audio)
Misc. Ethernet hubs and switches- Fiber optic and Cat. 5

For the numbers game, each sub will have one DCA 2422 bridged for a total of 38,400 watts. The total system is roughly 137,000 watts. This set-up will be similar to last year. During the product reel screening last year of Titan A.E., real pyro was used for effects. But, the sound system beat the pyro in sheer power and impact.

Boston Light & Sound will also do the set-up in the Jubilee Theater at Bally’s (Banquet Capacity for 1000) and at Le Theatre De Arts (meeting capacity for 1,200) at Paris.

Thanks go to Boston Light & Sound, EV, and QSC.

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John Gordon
Cinema Applications Engineer
QSC Audio Products, Inc.
1675 MacArthur Blvd.
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
(714)957-7100
john_gordon@qscaudio.com
http://www.qscaudio.com

Jeffry L. Johnson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
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Ultratech is no more. They closed at the end of 1999.



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