Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » anyone using the new Harkness Hall P1M (microperfored 0.5mm) screen ? (Page 1)

 
This topic comprises 2 pages: 1  2 
 
Author Topic: anyone using the new Harkness Hall P1M (microperfored 0.5mm) screen ?
David Baum
Film Handler

Posts: 90
From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Aug 2000


 - posted 11-23-2000 07:51 PM      Profile for David Baum     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
hi

how is it ( gain, color accuracy, does the front speakers need much equalization compared to the 1.2mm perfored models ?).

thanks
David

 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 11-24-2000 01:43 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
While the subject of Harkness screens is up and running, has anyone used the Spectral 2000 silver screen surface?

 |  IP: Logged

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-24-2000 08:15 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
All my rep theatre installations have used the spectral2000 and find it excellent

 |  IP: Logged

Barry Hans
Film Handler

Posts: 92
From: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Registered: May 2000


 - posted 11-24-2000 02:02 PM      Profile for Barry Hans   Author's Homepage   Email Barry Hans   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We just installed a Spectral 2000 screen last weekend and it is GREAT! Looks as if we jumped up a bulb size or two! Well worth the high price.

 |  IP: Logged

Alan Lyman
Film Handler

Posts: 13
From: Copenhagen, Denmark
Registered: Aug 2000


 - posted 11-27-2000 04:55 AM      Profile for Alan Lyman   Email Alan Lyman   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Shouldn´t the Silverbased screens only be used for 3D films,or can this type of screen in particular,also be used for normal filmprojection?

 |  IP: Logged

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-27-2000 07:01 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Silver Based screens can be used for all types of projection But they are highly directional so wide viewing angles must be avoided due to the light falloff that occurs

 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 11-27-2000 08:08 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
SMPTE Recommended Practice RP 95 specifies "Installation of Gain Screens". Because a gain screen is directional, and acts somewhat like a mirror, it needs to be properly curved to reflect the projector's light back to the center of the audience. Ideally, this is done by ray tracing (angle of incidence = angle of reflection), but some simple "rules of thumb" are sometimes used to choose the proper screen radius and angle of tilt.

RP 95 suggests the radius of the screen curvature should be (Projection distance + Distance Between the screen and audience center) / 2. So if the throw is 100 feet, and the center of the audience is 50 feet from the screen, the radius of the screen curvature should be (100 + 50) / 2 = 75 feet.

Matte white screens should always be installed "flat". But unless gain screens have the proper curvature, getting uniform illumination throughout the auditorium will be difficult.

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 11-28-2000 04:54 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
"Matte white screens should always be installed "flat"."

Well, you've got a few people to tell about that little tidbit!

I hate curved screens in all aspects. Every curved screen I've ever seen (even AMC's compound curved ones) causes geometric distortions of the image. I do not like the THX Broadway rectangle "smiling" at me and every tall building "leaning" inward!


 |  IP: Logged

Rory Burke
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 181
From: Burbank, CA, USA
Registered: Jun 2000


 - posted 11-28-2000 05:41 PM      Profile for Rory Burke   Email Rory Burke   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad M

I believe SMPTE also has a standard for distortion of the screen image as well...and if some theater chains followed the proper procedures to with in tolerable levels that might not occur as often.... but true enough in a way, that THX broadway trailer "blue box" points to you off the bat if your aperature plate is cut improperly or if there is too much upward angle of the screen as seen in some stadium theaters, venietting etc etc. I kind of like that blue box cause it keeps procetionists honest when framming their picture as well. And how many times have I noticed the surrounds swapped during the TEX trailer as he flys around the auditorium. OUCH!!! Some one should come out with a trailer that intentionally, while entertaining the audience, does a quick Channel ID and picture format check. As a matter of fact I wouldn't doubt if that was part of the original intent of the THX Broadway trailer.

Rory

 |  IP: Logged

Dave Bird
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 777
From: Perth, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Jun 2000


 - posted 11-28-2000 07:20 PM      Profile for Dave Bird   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Bird   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Weren't curved screens really intended for special formats like Cinerama and IMAX? Isn't the only reason they install them now for the gimmicky publicity "with giant wall-to-wall CURVED screens"? (No matter the presentation.) What was the aspect ratio of Cinerama? Some of those outdoor screens were absolute beasts!

 |  IP: Logged

Gordon McLeod
Film God

Posts: 9532
From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 11-28-2000 08:03 PM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When done properley a curved gain screen will exhibit a flatter light light field and better overall focus
If not done properley then that is another story

 |  IP: Logged

Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 11-28-2000 09:56 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Gordon,

Please point me to one done properly. I'd like to see it. At a previous screening room I had set up, I took a string with a Sharpie marker on one end and the other end tied to the aperture and drew lines on the walls where the screen was to go (all 4 sides) and I was wholly unimpressed with the result and "bent straight lines" was annoying as always. The projector was not at any vertical angle either nor was in a position for horizontal keystoning. Now how much more accurate can you get than with a string???

That curved screen was replaced a few weeks later with a FLAT screen and I noticed no distortion whatsoever, focus was razor sharp corner to corner and although I didn't measure the difference with a light meter, I was well satisfied with the light dispersion on the flat screen.

I think Dave Bird put it best a couple of posts above, curved screens are an advertising gimmick for 35mm presentations.

Rory,

Be careful with the older "Dolby A" versions of the THX Broadway trailer, they were printed significantly high in frame! The old "DTS only" versions were the same way. The "SRD only" and "SDDS only" and the new "multi track" Broadways are the only ones properly centered in frame.


 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 11-29-2000 06:33 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Matte white (gain=1) screens should NOT be curved. High gain screens installed in relatively wide auditoriums SHOULD be curved, per SMPTE Recommended Practive RP 95. Ideally, the curve should be optimized by ray tracing, to reflect the light back to the center of the audience. But the "rule of thumb" curve of having a radius of (Projection distance + Distance between screen and audience center) / 2 is NOT a deeply curved screen, and should not cause a major problem with distortion or focus uniformity.

Deeply curved screens were used for Cinerama and D-150, the idea being to "surround" the audience and engage their peripheral vision. Distortion was an issue, especially in seats away from the "sweet spot" of the auditorium.

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

 |  IP: Logged

Dick Vaughan
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1032
From: Bradford, West Yorkshire, UK
Registered: Jul 2000


 - posted 11-29-2000 07:53 AM      Profile for Dick Vaughan   Author's Homepage   Email Dick Vaughan   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dave
Cinerama aspect ratio is 2.72:1

For details of our Cinerama installation see http://www.comp.brad.ac.uk/research/GIP/film.html

All the best

Dick vaughan

 |  IP: Logged

Frank Prete
Film Handler

Posts: 55
From: Victoria, Australia
Registered: Sep 2000


 - posted 11-29-2000 04:02 PM      Profile for Frank Prete   Email Frank Prete   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad,

Unfortunate that you haven't seen any curved screens that look good. I can think of plenty that not only look good as you enter the auditorium, but look great once the show starts.

Next time your in Australia, I'll show you a few of my favourites which are sure to change your opinion.

Getting back to the original question, I am yet to see any micro-perf screens yet, but I am wondering if cinemas are starting to install them to be ready for 'digital' cinema?

Frank.

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 2 pages: 1  2 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.