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Jeff Stricker
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Does anyone have a list of US theaters that could project horizontal VistaVison during the mid - 1950's? I know there weren't many. When I was a gradeschooler, my Grandmother took me to a matinee of the road show engagement of The Ten Commandments at one of the big downtown Cleveland, Ohio theaters. (Either Lowe's State or Lowe's Ohio) This was a special offer for school children & parents over Easter vacation --- we had to take a form home, and bring it back to school along with the money for the number of tickets we wanted. (Seems like it was the astronomical amount of $3 per!)

Anyway what an impressive experience, huge screen, and fantastic movie theater! Now, years later, I'm wondering if I had the rare treat of seeing real horizontal VistaVision?

What do you projection historians think?

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Gordon McLeod
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The Imperial theatre in Toronto had a pair of the lazy8 projectors installed for 10commandments. When I was removing a pair of Bauers from a old theatre in Winepeg I found some VV parts.
Micron and Kalee also built horizontal machines and Steve Kramms in Florida has a Fedi vv machine
On the widscreen museum site there is a copy of an article that i sent marty from a old theatre catalogue on the development of the first 8 handbuilt machines the were converted c's


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Scott Norwood
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There were theaters in LA and NYC, for certain. There are dubious claims that other cities have had VV installations in commercial theatres as well.

There was at least one special-venue VV installation at Colonial Williamsburg, which lasted from 1957 until the mid-1960s when they converted to the 70mm equipment which is still in use today. Go here to see some pictures of the current 70mm installation.

Marty Hart's Widescreen Museum site has an article on this VV installation as well.

Most of the original VV projectors are apparently in the hands of effects houses, etc. It appears that Paramount has at least one VV-equipped screening room on site as well.

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Gordon McLeod
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The Radio City Music Hall had the convert c's
the Paramount NYC had the finished units

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Edwin Graf Diemer
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The Music Hall actually had two horizontal VistaVision installations. The first was a prototype that was only used for exhibitor demonstrations of VistaVision. This was removed for the converted Century's above. "Christmas" only played in the horizontal version in NYC and LA with the sound in interlock. By the time "Strategic Air Command" opened the following April at the NY Paramount, the sound was on the horizontal print itself. The Orpheum Theater in Omaha, Nebraska was equipped for horizontal VV for the premiere of that film on 3/25/55, (sound on film) on a screen 50 by 27 feet. I don't know if the equipment remained for the regular engagement!

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John Pytlak
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Here's a photo of the Century horizontal 8-perf projector on Marty Hart's Widescreen Museum site:
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingvv2.htm

I know that Boston Light & Sound had at least one VV projector in their collection.

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Robert Throop
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On the wall in front of my computer, I have a framed copy of an ad for the Peerless HyCandescent, "selected by Paramount for horizontal V-V". The films listed are "Strategic Air Command" and "the Far Horizons".
Theatres: Chicago-State Lake, NYC-Paramount,NYC-Criterion, Philadelphia- Stanley, Pittsburgh-Penn, New Orleans-Saengers, Hollywood-Paramount, Beverly Hills-Warners, Toronto-Imperial, London-Plaza, Paris-Paramount.

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Dick Vaughan
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In Bradford we have parts of 2 of the four Vistavision projectors that were built by Kalee in the UK. The remaining parts are currently residing in Switzerland but we are trying our best to recover them.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Check out the pics of my VV machine here on the Film-Tech picture page. It is a virtual copy of the "Lazy 8" machine with a few minor improvements added for better film handling and far less film wear than any other mechanical VV machine. It is difficult to scratch film on this projector!
This projector has been used on a number of films("Baby's Day Out", "Miracle On 34th St", and "Mercury Rising")for viewing dailies background plates. It is available, at very minimal charge, to any theater that is interested in running a horizontal VV print. Sound would come from an interlocked 35mm dubber, or an optical head could be added fairly easily. I also have one of the Lazy 8 VV Cameras to go along with it. Anyone want to make a VV film???
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Jeff Stricker
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Thanks everyone. I see on the "Century History" article posted under the 'manuals' section that only 24 VV machines were ever produced. I doubt a pair ever made it to Cleveland.

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Leo Enticknap
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Further to an earlier post, I'm surprised that there aren't more working Vistavision instllations in the UK, given that it was the only country outside the US which made VV projectors.

Gaumont-Kalee, which had its factory in Leeds, Yorkshire (which was also a temporary home to the film pionner L.A. Le Prince) was among the world's largest projector manufacturers until its takeover by the Rank Organisation in the mid-50s. They made the decision to concentrate heavily on VV following a deal between Rank and Paramount which was struck in (if memory serves me correctly) 1956. This had both a positive and a negative outcome - the positive one was that quite a few British films were shot in Vistavision, and even today look amazing when printed onto normal 35mm, but the down side was that the eventual failure of VV finished Gaumont-Kalee. The last conventional 35mm projector they made, the GK-37, is still in service in quite a few (mainly independent) cinemas, which speaks volumes for the design and build quality of these mechs, given that there is hardly any service infrastructure left for them.

Eventually Rank cut their losses, closed G-K down and started importing Cinemeccanica projectors from Italy, which remain the standard issue in Odeon cinemas to this day.

History aside, I'm still surprised that very few of the G-K VV machines seem to have survived (I've never heard of a complete working model). I can only presume that the initial production run was very small.

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Gordon McLeod
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Some people might take exception to the GK37 being considered quality built (timeing belt in an oil bath machine) (a Westrex7000 is a superior design)
The only installed VV from GK I ever heard of were a pair at the Odeon Leister SQ and Pinewood
Micron in Italy also produced a VV machine designed to run techniramma that had mag tracks on the 8 perf.
It was a open machine with both optical and mag readers

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Dick Vaughan
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Leo

As I said in my earlier post Kalee only produced 4 Vistavision projectors. All 4 were as far as I know installed in London's West End. After the removal of the projectors from the cinemas 2 were sent to Pinewood Studios and 2 went to a local technical college.

At some point someone in France bought two of them and stored them with Cinemateriel in Paris.

At that time some of the parts went on to Switzerland and we collected the remaining bits from paris in 1992 while seeking out parts for our Cinerama installation.

As far as I heard the demise of Kalee as a manufacturer was due more to the attempt to build a 70mm projector which never went into production. I am sure Jim Schulz can clear this up.

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Ben Wales
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Leo - How can say that the Kalee 37 is a quality Projector!, they are really a copy of a Cinemeccancia mech, Rank Industries that bought out Kalee were trying to import Cinemeccancia's at the time.

Most 37's I know were installed at some Preview cinemas, they lacked the quality of the Kalee 21 or some say as well Jim Schulz would claim that the Kalee 11 or 12 was "Yorkshire's Best", I can't really repeat here what Jim has to say about the Westrex 7000!.

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Gordon McLeod
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Ben was his comments anything similar to the ones about yorkshires finnest Tetleys bitter

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