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John Wilson
Film God

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From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 10-13-2000 04:45 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
...for me, anyway.

We received our print of 'Bless The Child' from Buena Vista on Monday night. My colleague opened up the box, saw the crushed edges of reel six from a crappy rewind ex USA and rejected the print.

Our 'replacement' print was made up by another colleague. He said it wasn't much better than the first. Dirty, splices, scratches etc.

We have had a few BV prints lately that have been Photoguarded (or whatever the 'scratch removal' treatment is over there). We have no choice...if one print brought in has photoguard on it, they all do. All this stuff seems to do is lock in the dirt so that neither the media nor PTR's can get at it. Fortunately, this one wasn't treated. With this print, the PTR's would have been useless (well, entirely useless) after three minutes anyway, there was so much crap on the print.

So I ran it through the cleaner before the show on Thursday morning. It looked pretty crappy on screen even with the obvious FG streaks doing their job. At the end of the run, the machine looked like someone had thrown a bottle of powdered dirt over it.

The print then ran 5 more shows yesterday all through the media cleaner. On the first run this morning it looked as though overnight someone had taken away the old print and replaced it with a new one.

This print is now great, considering its faults noted on the make up report. It still has its splices, but there are hardly any scratches and there is next to zero dirt. (But my nice new, blue Film-Tech media is now an ikky browny/grey colour )

I would hazard a guess that all prints of this film brought into the country were of this caliber...I would also hazard a guess that my print now looks and runs better than any of them. So, here's a message to that one person in Australia who would actually, voluntarily come and see this movie. Come see it at our cinema...the movie may be crap, but at least it's now clean crap.

If you doubt Filmguard's effectiveness, don't. Just get your boss to buy you some.


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Frank Prete
Film Handler

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From: Victoria, Australia
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 - posted 10-13-2000 06:20 AM      Profile for Frank Prete   Email Frank Prete   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yeah John,

We had the same situation down here in Melboure with our print of Bless the Child - poorly wound with damaged edges, scratches and splices the whole way through.

We also got a replacement print in that after inspecting decided to run with the original copy.

We don't have Filmguard and I don't think it would help the green emulsion scratches throughout the print. It may help with the dirt and dust.

I did a tech-screening of the film and inspite of the poor print quality, the film aint that bad - I've sat through worse.

How do these prints get so badly damaged? From what I've read here at Film-Tech you guys in the States seem pretty keen on keeping prints in the same condition that they arrive in. Are there some realy careless operators out there?!?!

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David Kilderry
Master Film Handler

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From: Melbourne Australia
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 - posted 10-13-2000 06:26 AM      Profile for David Kilderry   Author's Homepage   Email David Kilderry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was told today that BVI had the prints come in from another supplier as the film was a pick-up from Paramount.

I have not heard of a good print yet!

David

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John Wilson
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 - posted 10-13-2000 06:35 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Frank

The crap projectionists are not on this forum.

At least mine looks fine now...you guys gotta try this stuff.

Hi David

With the complaints BVI will be getting about this one, I doubt they'll be re-using that new supplier.

Whenever you're next in Sydney, drop by and we'll have that beer.


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Gracia L. Babbidge
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From: Bowdoin, Maine
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 - posted 10-13-2000 08:22 AM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Frank -
Sadly, there are a lot of operators here in the USA that are very careless with the manner in which they handle film. Though, I'm quite sure that such operators are nowhere to be found on this site!
:P I've had the distinct headache of working with operators that are careless with film.
Even worse is whem there is a semi-careless, and relatively inexperienced operator running a shift in the booth that runs into a problem. Let's say it's a static problem, that causes the film to slide around on the platter, resulting in a brain wrap.
Now of course this operator is in the middle of starting a round of shows, and gets flustered, as they have one show off screen, and others starting late. This prompts a shift manager to go to the booth to investigate. Of course the shift manager knows a lot less about the booth than the newbie operator in this scenario, but decided to attempt assisting the operator with the static-laden print that almost slid off the platter, so the operator can get other features started. Rather than try to reposition the film on the platter in a circle, and rotate the platter to undo the brainwrap, the shift manager gets it into his head that the best way to handle the situation is to completely remove the film from the platter and drop it on the [cement] floor to untangle it and wind it back up.

I can't say that I was happy to read about that incident in the log book the next day!

And people wonder why I get a little irritated when there are non-operators in my booth...

~Purple-Tressed Booth B*tch

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 10-13-2000 09:23 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If any of you guys down under need any FilmGuard please let me know. We can ship from stock directly to you via express mail. We have both the Cleaning Media and FilmGuard in stock.
Mark
mark@getgts.com

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Jon Bartow
Master Film Handler

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From: Massachusetts
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 - posted 10-13-2000 11:28 AM      Profile for Jon Bartow   Email Jon Bartow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Gracia! Miss Me?
Convince Andrew to let you buy a bottle of FilmGuard!!!!!!! I know you don't have media cleaners but if you wipe a little (with a rag!) on the top of the print while it sits on the platter (not playing of course) and some on the rollers it will help with static, it may not cure, but it will help

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Frank Prete
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From: Victoria, Australia
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 - posted 10-14-2000 06:39 AM      Profile for Frank Prete   Email Frank Prete   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John wrote...

At least mine looks fine now...you guys gotta try this stuff.

Hey John, ya meant to be puttin it on the film, not drinkin the stuff!!!

What would help our copy of the film is an axe. Or a chainsaw, some form of explosives, an acid bath or an industrial shredder. At least then it can never be sent to another poor unfortunate soul who must endure the same customer respone the we shall. Hey John, can we have your print when your done with it?

Gracia, for your brain wraps, try getting some Johnstons Paste Wax. Apply a small amount to the top of the print with a wrag. Next session run the soundtrack the other way up and then apply another layer of wax to the other side. I think Kodak recomended this down here in Melbourne to help reduce film wraps.

My Doctor recomended Valium for stressed out trainee projectionists on their first shift.

Frank

A ducks quack does not echo, and no one knows why...

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Stephen Jones
Master Film Handler

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From: Geelong Victoria Australia
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 - posted 10-15-2000 07:36 PM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Our print of bless the child has no scratching as such,but has stretched sprocket holes at end of all spools as if when breaking down there was to much tension on the film, it goes through ok.The leaders were attached by masking tape and a join in spool 1 was also stuck together with masking tape and in a couple of places the film had creases in places as if someone had stood on it. As for on screen presentation it comes up reasonable considering its condition.We have been getting a lot of reconditioned prints of late might have to talk to management about buying film guard.

Stephen

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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 - posted 10-16-2000 01:03 AM      Profile for Gracia L. Babbidge   Author's Homepage   Email Gracia L. Babbidge   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hey there Jon!
Heh, I do miss knowing that all the operators I work with actually know what they're doing!
I will see if I can convince Andrew that film guard would be a good thing to have. If that doesn't work, I'll try to get Rich to convince him. It could work...
Actually though, static issues have been at a minimum for a while now. (Yay!) In fact, nearly everything has been going super-smooth lately...almost too smoothly. It's a bit spooky...


Frank - um, thanks for the suggestion, but I don't believe in putting foreign substances, like wax or shoe polish, on film.
In fact, I will not use anything other than clear splicing tape when I make up the films each week.


(Things have been going so well that I can't even remember when the last time I had to fix a film that had brain-wrapped!)

~The Purple-Tresses Booth B*tch

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William Hooper
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 - posted 10-16-2000 10:22 PM      Profile for William Hooper   Author's Homepage   Email William Hooper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I don't believe in putting foreign substances, like wax or shoe polish, on film.
In fact, I will not use anything other than clear splicing tape when I make up the films each week.

Chill, it's from Kodak, the baby's daddy...

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John Wilson
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 - posted 10-17-2000 02:05 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gracia

You should give Frank a little bit of credit, eh?


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 10-17-2000 07:18 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The use of paste wax to lubricate film was developed by Kodak as an EMERGENCY method, as noted in the publications. It is admittedly difficult to evenly apply paste wax to the side of the roll, putting on just enough to penetrate to the edges and perforations, but not so much that it gets into the picture area or builds up in the projector. Excessive wax also makes the film roll slippery, and more likely to slide on the platter, unless properly restrained with clips or a retaining ring. But the wax usually does help reduce projector abrasion.

Kodak has consistently recommended proper print lubrication (i.e., edgewaxing) by the labs, but many labs have dropped the practice due to environmental restrictions on the solvents used:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/support/processing/h242/h2402_04.shtml#164364

The new Kodak VISION Color Print Films have lubricants on both sides of the film, to reduce projector abrasion and improve transport. But additional post-process lubrication does help further reduce abrasion and dusting, and may be needed with projectors that are more prone to abrade film.

"Rejuvenated" prints may be more prone to dusting or flaking, especially if they have not been relubricated, or have the scratch-hiding coatings applied to the edges or perforation area of the print where the projector gate and shoe abrades the film. Any dirt on the film can be "sealed in" by these coatings.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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Martin Frandsen
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I would be very happy if commercial theaters over here will start to use Film-guard. I guess i am the only guy with a bottle of FG in Denmark. I'll tell ya, FG does the work!


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Kevin Crawford
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 - posted 10-23-2000 12:20 AM      Profile for Kevin Crawford   Email Kevin Crawford   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just thought that I would say that the print of "Bless the Child" that I got this week was in very good shape.

I think that the problems you guys have overseas is that theatres here ship out the worst print first. Therefore you get the crappy prints.

Sort of like what happens with the red headed step child. Always getting the crappy hand me downs.

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