Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Operations   » Film Handlers' Forum   » House light levels during show? (Page 1)

 
This topic comprises 4 pages: 1  2  3  4 
 
Author Topic: House light levels during show?
Jesse Skeen
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1517
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Aug 2000


 - posted 10-01-2000 02:07 AM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I have heard that lawyers for certain theater companies advise keeping the house lights at rather high levels to avoid lawsuits, and was wondering if anyone could comment on whether or not they have to keep theirs at certain levels for safety reasons? I guess you can't argue with a lawyer, but I'm used to theaters being dark; is that becoming a thing of the past?

 |  IP: Logged

John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 10-01-2000 02:15 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ours stay off and that's pretty much how we do things out here...up to 1/3 for credits.

We have designated aisle lighting which must be operational, though.


 |  IP: Logged

Frank Prete
Film Handler

Posts: 55
From: Victoria, Australia
Registered: Sep 2000


 - posted 10-01-2000 05:03 AM      Profile for Frank Prete   Email Frank Prete   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Our cinemas stay off throughout the film, and come back onto a preset level around the start of the credits.

Our newer cinemas use four stage dimmers so that we can have on preset for the ads and trailers and then a slightly darker preset for the credits. In operation though, we only seem to use one of the presets.

Jesse, you weren't asking about the level for trailers, you were asking about feature film levels? Is this correct.

I am wondering if anyone drops the house lights out completely during trailers. This was a practice in one theatre, and the effect was great - trailers how they are meant to be seen

Frank

Frank.


 |  IP: Logged

Pat Moore
Master Film Handler

Posts: 363

Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 10-01-2000 06:48 AM      Profile for Pat Moore   Email Pat Moore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
This is one of those "can't have everything" issues. Lawyers and patrons that are looking for some excuse to sue are, hopefully, the very rare exception. Doesn't seem like it, sometimes, but that's another subject.

If ambient light levels are too high, contrast within the cinema can be greatly reduced and the reason I'm there -- to watch the movie -- suffers. If I'm late and kick my knee on the back of a chair because it's dark, that's my fault. I'd rather watch the movie in the atmosphere of the cinema anyway, much more enjoyable.

Aisle lights, special directional lighting and such can address the safety issues while still allowing the presentation quality we want.

One of those "compromises" we all have to make might be mid-level lighting during trailers in front of the main feature, and during the credits when 85% of the audience starts to leave anyway. These things I accept and agree with, but for the feature I'd like it dark. The trailers and such might be okay, but I am there for the movie when all is said and done.


 |  IP: Logged

Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

Posts: 283
From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 10-01-2000 04:19 PM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At the annual Göteborg Film Festival, we have strict orders to have the house lights off until the end of the end credits (not counting aisle lights and the like, for safety reasons). Most of the patrons are die-hard cineasts and movie buffs, so they'd never leave a show until it's really over anyway. The downside is that it takes time to get these people out afterwards, and there just doesn't seem to be enough of that between shows.

Normally, the house lights stay off until the end credits start, when I turn the sides up to about 60%. The adjusting of light levels is completely manual so I can do it any way I like, as slowly or as fast as I want, and to just about any level in the range.

When we still were a commercial theatre, I used to run trailers in an almost dark auditorium, or gradually darken the theatre during the first theatre, so slowly that nobody noticed the actual dimming of the lights which was pretty cool if done with enough patience.

 |  IP: Logged

Wayne Cope
Film Handler

Posts: 25
From: Micanopy, FL, USA
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 10-02-2000 01:52 AM      Profile for Wayne Cope   Email Wayne Cope   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
During the feature, I turn the overhead lighting down to where the bulbs are barely glowing. The theory I have on this is that it provides a sort of frame of reference for those cases when a patron gets up in the darkened auditorium. It is easy to feel a little disoriented when getting up in a darkened room. (That probably won't ever happen to you or me because we work in darkened rooms and are very familiar with our auditoriums.) This is more important at my cinema than some, because we have a riser, or as some people call it, stadium seating.

Unfortunately, my theory was put to the test. Someone used to work here that insisted on turning the overhead lights all the way off. Several people fell. The first two were young people. The last one was an elderly patron, and wouldn't you know, this guy finally realized he had a bad idea.

I've never heard of a patron falling when I've run a show, with the lights at a mild glow - much less light, by the way, than the typical multiplex. I think lights in most cinemas are way too high.

I use a higher light level during previews. Credits light level is all the way up unless there are images in the credits.

Another important issue is the amount of stray light hitting the screen, reducing color saturation. I corrected aisle lights at my cinema that were throwing light onto the screen - and turning off the overheads isn't going to help that situation! But that's a topic for another thread.

 |  IP: Logged

Ari Nordström
Master Film Handler

Posts: 283
From: Göteborg, Sweden
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 10-02-2000 05:00 PM      Profile for Ari Nordström   Email Ari Nordström   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If I paid to see a film in a theatre and the house lights were still on when the feature started, I'd go out in a hurry and either have them turn the lights off during the show or get my money back. On second thought, I'd probably want my money back anyway since I shouldn't have to go out from the auditorium in the first place.

Now, I respect that some of my colleagues might have different ideas about this, but I would never be a part of it, never. If it was company policy, I'd probably quit. Well, either that, or the house lights would malfunction during every single show. There's something very wrong with an auditorium that requires the house lights to be on during a show. Aisle lights and such should be enough, if properly designed.

I can stand lights when I watch TV, with compensations such as peanuts and a fridge with a six-pack, or a remote to fast forward the boring parts. But in a theatre, never.

 |  IP: Logged

John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 10-03-2000 10:55 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Auditorium lights shining on the screen are a notorious "Contrast Killer":
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/december99/pytlak.shtml

If you can cast a distinct shadow on the unlit screen, the lights are too bright.

------------------
John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

 |  IP: Logged

John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 10-03-2000 08:15 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Our company recently lost a lawsuit over the auditorium lighting. We had a theater we twined, where the balcony was turned into one theater and the orchestra level was another. (The balcony has steps for each row of seats.) An elderly couple were leaving at the end of a film. The woman tripped on the steps, put her hands out, and broke one of her wrists. There were a total of 12 people in the theater (it holds 170.)

The end credits were running, but the ceiling lights were down (at the level as when running a show.) All asile lights were working (a light on the seat standard shines on the steps; one on the left, another on the right, as you walk up.) In other words, the lighting was exactly the same as if we were running a show.

The film was a basically true story; "The Newton Boys" (about bank robbers in the 1930's.) While the credits are running, they show an interview with one of the real Newton Boys on the Johnny Carson TV show.

The operator had waited until the interview finished- then placed the light cues on because he noticed people staying to watch the interview.

So, why did we lose when the lights were the same as during a show? After all, if she tripped during the show, it would have been the same, right?

No. Because their sharpie laywer asked for a copy of our own policy manual that simply stated; ".... put 'lights up' cues on when the credits start.."

Although we did put cues on, the laywer said we violated our own policy. (He said) the policy didn't say anything about action going on on screen; The policy manual said to put cues on, which we did not do properly. (They were on too late.) He also said that we should have known to bring the lights up right away when "large masses of people" leave an auditorium.

So the jury awarded them some money (not much; less than $20,000.) The jury probably thought they were making theaters safer by handing this verdict, but this is what will really happen:

1. Turn on every light in the auditorium at the first credit. This is what we now do, because if we don't, (and someone else sues us) this case provides a "prior precedent" meaning it will be even easier to get money from us. Normal customers lose out seeing a nicer show.

2. Never write a policy manual, or issue a memo about operating procedure. No one can hold you to a standard if there isn't one.

 |  IP: Logged

Jesse Skeen
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1517
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Aug 2000


 - posted 10-04-2000 01:43 AM      Profile for Jesse Skeen   Email Jesse Skeen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
So when should the lights come up if you're showing "Man on the Moon"?


 |  IP: Logged

John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 10-04-2000 04:09 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ha! Good point!

 |  IP: Logged

Bill Enos
Film God

Posts: 2081
From: Richmond, Virginia, USA
Registered: Apr 2000


 - posted 10-07-2000 12:20 AM      Profile for Bill Enos   Email Bill Enos   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
First. we kill all the lawyers

 |  IP: Logged

John Walsh
Film God

Posts: 2490
From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way
Registered: Oct 1999


 - posted 10-07-2000 12:26 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yep; It was true in the Baird's day and it's still true now...


 |  IP: Logged

Ben Stephenson
Film Handler

Posts: 29
From: Manchester, England
Registered: Jan 2001


 - posted 01-22-2001 05:15 PM      Profile for Ben Stephenson     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We used to run the trailers first and then the ads before the film itself, the house lights would go to half on the trailers and off for the ads and back to half on the credits of the film but now we have to run the ads first and have to have the house lights out from the begining of the support. The secondary lighting ( which I think is too bright ) is on constantly. Another cinema which I have been to have dimming secondary lighting so when the film is on the lights dim very low and come back up again on the credits and will light instantly if there is a problem ( power cut, fire etc ). We have never had a problem with people putting in insurance claims and it all looks better in the dark.

 |  IP: Logged

Chris Wootten
Film Handler

Posts: 50
From: Moonlit Cinema, RAAF Tindal, N.T. Australia
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 01-23-2001 05:18 AM      Profile for Chris Wootten   Email Chris Wootten   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I run an "outdoor" cinema on a military Base, and the lights are fully dimmed for the entire feature. 7/8 dimmed for the ads and trailers. I have a BIG problem with ambient light coming from security & street lighting close by. Passing cars can white-out the screen. Im glad the "sue" craze hasnt hit OZ just quite yet......

Keep smiling all.....

------------------
"I luv the smell of napalm in tha mornin !"

Keep Smiling......Chris

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 4 pages: 1  2  3  4 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.