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Nic Margherio
Film Handler

Posts: 91
From: St. Louis MO, USA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 09-16-2000 06:44 PM      Profile for Nic Margherio   Email Nic Margherio   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just finished up my first box of Film-Tech media pads and I have to say that I am less than satisfied.

First and foremost, (even though it is claimed that they play for 3 1/2 hours) they ran out aproximately 2 hours and 45 minutes into our print of "Sunshine," a 9 reel movie with a running time of 3 hours even. Only 3 previews are on the beginning, along with some other odds and ends that add up to 9 minutes of pre-feature. Thats 3 hours and 9 minutes total, well under the three-and-a-half hour "minimum" play time.

Secondly, the standard keyed rewind core design makes it very difficult to rewind the media. You simply cannot insert the rewinding key into it without damaging half a roll's worth of media. I do not encounter this problem with Kelmar media, be it white or green, and I'm sure that it occurs because the media is so soft that it collapses in to the cut out area. The core should be redesigned to allow the key to contact only plastic - imagine a core with a second layer of plastic around the outside of it, but retaining the cut out portions in the inner "ring" of the core. Something like this would make it tremedously easier to rewind the media, and also eliminate any damage that occurs when inserting the key.

Thirdly, 12 out of the 16 rolls in the box had winding defects. For the most part present towards the end of the roll, I encoutered creases and ripples that I have never encountered with Kelmar media.

Finally, at $24 a box, they do not even come close to being as cost effective as Kelmar's top-of-the-line green media. Both the Film-Tech and Kelmar media contain 16 rolls per box and even though the Kelmar is $29 a box, one roll contains more than enough media to divide two or even (if you do not have any 2 1/2 hour+ movies) three ways. Thats more than twice as much media for only $5 more.

It is said that the Film-Tech media is ideal for use with FilmGuard and I do not doubt that it is. I do like how soft it is and also how it is slighty wider than the core (and the Kelmar media) putting a touch more tension on the media between the supply and the takeup. But, until I am convinced that these other issues have been resolved, in particular the length issue, I will not buy another box.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 09-16-2000 10:46 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with the product. We have recently started lengthening the rolls as we have discovered a certain vintage of the Kelmar cleaner coupled with a certain make of platter causes the media to wind extremely loose, and thus pull through much faster than originally calculated. I am willing to bet you have one of those combinations and that is why your media ran out early. The first couple of cases into the market also had some winding defects, but none that I'm aware of that was as bad as some of the Kelmar and Neumades I've seen. Regardless, that should not have been an issue for operation as we tested that and they rewound perfectly. (Our cost vs. actual dealer sale price is almost identical as this media is extremely expensive to manufacture. That is why we went ahead and sent them out. We actually hardly make anything on this and are manufacturing the product due to high demands for media on the keyed cores without the slitting defects of the competition.) I can only assume you got a box from one of the first couple of cases, as those defects were quickly resolved.

The core design was a situation we faced a year and a half ago where we had to come up with something that would adapt to Christie and Kelmar cleaners already on the market. It would have been foolish to make a product that was not fully backwards-compatible.

The media was specifically designed to be extremely soft and to a certain absorbency level to make using FilmGuard easier and most cost efficient. You probably didn't notice the core coupling problem you spoke of with Kelmar pads, as they are extremely stiff and thick. They also tend to soak up an incredible amount of FilmGuard that is completely unnecessary and much FilmGuard is wasted. Oversoaking a print is also a definite possibility when using those pads. Of course, Kelmar never designed their pads with FilmGuard in mind, so it is most certainly not a defect in their design. As for a solution to the core design, your suggestion is a good one I wish someone had come up with before we had the master injection mold created. However, we have recently come up with a fantastic solution, which will be unveiled as soon as it is fully tested and ready for production.

Please email me so I might get a better idea of your particular system. (Platter mount or projector mount...also what vintage cleaner you have.) I would also be interested in knowing the dealer you bought it from, so I can track their case orders to one of those initial cases to verify there is not a continuing problem I am unaware of. I am always open to suggestions for improving a product and your input could prove very helpful. Regardless, we DO back our products 100% and I will arrive at a suitable solution with you once I get your email.


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John Wilson
Film God

Posts: 5438
From: Sydney, Australia.
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 09-17-2000 01:11 AM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why bother rewinding it at all? Why not just spool on what's left over to the take up core and swap the take up and the feed cores around? I've heard this is a pain in the ass to do, but I find it much easier (and faster) than rewinding a whole core plus you get to use both ends of the media.


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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 09-17-2000 01:29 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually, it really does waste more time than simply rewinding the rolls. Plus, most people don't want to handle "wet" pads. Using the rewinder core keeps the hands dry. But hey, if that's how you like to do it!

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Pete Lawrence
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 192
From: Middleburg, PA
Registered: Aug 1999


 - posted 09-17-2000 07:53 PM      Profile for Pete Lawrence   Email Pete Lawrence   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
When I first tried Film Guard I had the same problem Nic had with the rewind core crushing the inner media turns. This is with some no-name media that I already had a box of. A simple fix was to use a utility knife and chamfer the outside edge of the keyed end of the rewind core. The rewind core now wedges its way under the inner turns without any damage. Also, cutting down the width of the forks on the keyed end helps.

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