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timothy johnson
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From: minneapolis, mN 55419
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You just gotta love good old 70mm, once again we all lament the old days of epics shown the RIGHT WAY.
if anyone is here in Minneapolis this week August 25 - 31 we are showing "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" in 70mm 6track SR, we "The Heights Theater" are the only movie theater with 70mm showings and pre show organ. The print is stunning, rich colors and sharp blow up. When we called Paramount to book it, the print was sitting here in our ETS Minneapolis, not run since it showed at the General Cinema back in 1989, excellent print.

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John Walsh
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That's great; try to show 70mm stuff as much as you can to keep the interest up.

Unfortunately, I've pretty much lost the battle at my theater; one of our eight screens had a V8 (the other seven are Simplexes), but V8 parts are a bit expensive, it was harder to teach the ushers to run the booth (teaching them two different projectors) and there's just no first-run 70mm product.

So, after a problem with the intermittent, the "powers that be" decided to get rid of the V8 rather than fix it. We just opened a new theater in Maryland, and had a few Simplexes left over from the older theater we closed; so we will use one of those- 35mm only. I couldn't talk them out of it, and while I don't totally agree with their reasoning, I really have see their point.

Management's points were; Our screen is too small to make a difference (we've talked about this fallacy before, so I won't repeat why it's a stupid reason)

-They are afraid to let an usher destroy a $20,000 (of course, management has painted themselves into a corner by killing off the projectionist profession, but it is a real reason)

There has simply been too few features avaiable in the last 10 years, and none have been announced in the future, so why maintain something that will probably not be used? That's the biggest arguement I have no answer for.

I came in, and the ushers were genuinely excited, saying; "They got rid of that "bad" projector; isn't that great?"

Ho-hum.

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Gordon McLeod
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"They got rid of that "bad projector; isn't that great?"
Boy I could find them some BAD projectors if I had to put up with kids like that in a hurry
Superiors on universal bases anyone ha ha

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timothy johnson
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I forgot to add, the 2 shows Friday night, people aplauded at the end of the movie, and they all were buzzing about the stunning picture and sound, and they were not all film buffs, as a matter of fact, kids that were not even born yet came to see it. We have a piece of 70mm film in the lobby at the concession stand, eveyone marvels at the mag stripe and frame size. By the way we are running this on a AAII with 2000 watts.

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Gordon McLeod
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When are you going to post the pictures?

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John Pytlak
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Timothy:

Congratulations! Glad to hear of your success in running 70mm. Not surprised that a 1989 print still can look and sound that good. Most prints since 1982 should be in pretty good shape, unless they were abused or damaged by theatres, or stored improperly. Be interesting to know what other gems reside on the racks of ETS and TES.

Over on the rec.arts.movies.tech Newsgroup, there has been alot of recent discussion about whether bringing back 70mm "classics" like "Ben Hur", "The Sound of Music", etc. would be a money-maker. Bob Harris (who restored films like "Lawrence of Arabia", "My Fair Lady", "Spartacus" and "Vertigo" for 70mm re-release) makes a good case that spending a few million dollars to restore a movie like "Ben Hur" and have 70mm prints available would be a wise investment. He has actually issued a "challenge" to distributors. I know that I seek out "The Splendor of 70mm" whenever I travel, and long for the heyday of 70mm in smaller cities like Buffalo and Rochester.

I hope you post your theatre's good experience on r.a.m.t to let others know it can be successful, and that audiences DO notice the difference.

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
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David Kilderry
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Bring on the resto's.

I have seen the films in 70mm as John mentions above, plus many others that still reside in 70mm here in Australia.

I would really like to see a full restoration of "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" in fabolous Ultra Panavision. My spools of this film are now unrunable due to good old VS.

This is one of my favorites and in Australia it immediately followed 3-strip Cinerama (West Was Won) into the Cinerama theatres.

Are any other 70mm restorations currently under way or about to commence?

David


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timothy johnson
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I don't know of any restorations, I heard a rumor that there will be a few 70mm prints of 2001 with the upcoming major re-release of 2001 in december, can anyone confirm that?
They really should do EL CID and Sound of Music in 70mm DTS

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Gordon McLeod
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Sound of music sould be 70mm mag only as it has one of the few full use of the TODD AO screen speaker arrangement out there

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Dave Cutler
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Speaking of 6-track mag. Where can I find a 6-track mag head? I have tried contacting a couple of people, none of whom have been able to find one yet. Anyone know where I might be able to get one. I also need a mounting bracket for a Simplex SR 3570 Mag Penthouse.

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Gordon McLeod
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There is a company in CA called electro mag and they will make it
A lot of dealers still have heads sitting on the shelf and also a lot of good used ones
Is the bracket in place in your penthouse and need just the head cluster or the whole assembly

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Dave Cutler
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No, I need the bracket as well. Do you have an email, phone or URL for elecro mag?

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Gordon McLeod
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http://www.electromag.com/mp.html

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Ari Nordström
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Tomorrow, I'll be screening a twelve-minute Norwegian 70mm short film, "Året gjennom Borefjord", for a couple of higher-up management people at my theatre. The film was actually shot in 70mm and took about three years to make.

The management people were supposed to have this conference at our theatre so my boss asked me if I knew a good SRD film to impress the hell out of these people. Better yet, I told him, I know this 70mm short that's going to blow their brains out, it's so good.

What's 70mm, he asked.


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John Pytlak
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Ari Nordström said: "The management people were supposed to have this conference at our theatre so my boss asked me if I knew a good SRD film to impress the hell out of these people. Better yet, I told him, I know this 70mm short that's going to blow their brains out, it's so good. What's 70mm, he asked".

Anyone who has experienced "The Splendor of 70mm" doesn't have to ask "What's 70mm?". The quality jumps off a large screen, making an immersive and memorable experience. If you have 70mm capability, ask your management and bookers to try to get prints to "keep the flame alive" and introduce a new generation to the big screen quality only 70mm can deliver. Old 70mm prints vary greatly in quality, depending upon how they were used and stored. Some are damaged, faded or smell of vinegar (magnetic striping made triacetate prints more prone to "vinegar syndrome"). Others are as good as new. The only way to get new prints is to keep asking for them, and actively promote the showings to get the business they deserve.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


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