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Chris Erwin
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I have noticed some D/I (and a indoor or two) that is running a double bill is loading both features on the platter. (same deck) Besides pushing it right to the edge, I was always of the school of thought that loading to the very edge was an increased risk of a thrown print. Don't have much room to place "stick-a-poo" or other gadet to keep the last part of the print from flying.
Most of these places don't run an intermission. (rating band spliced to opening of 2nd feature)My questions are these...

1. Has anybody done this before and what's your experience?

2. What is the best way (presentation wise) to run two prints (maybe an intermission clock) using one projector/platter? I'm thinking 1st feature and header of intermission clock,re-thread with clock spliced to second feature. This is assuming it can't fit on one deck.

Thanks,
Chris

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Gordon McLeod
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I find when the second show restarts that the platter tend to be iratic and that is usually when the print will shift

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Ken Layton
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The Rodeo drivein in Port Orchard, Wash. puts both prints on the same deck without any problems.

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Greg Anderson
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Back in the olden days...

I was a junior projectionist at a 6-plex which was running Gandhi. The powers that be insisted that the movie was too long to fit on one platter so, at the end of reel 5, they just spliced in a generic "Intermission" tag and we re-started the movie at Reel 6 after a 15 minute break. I suggested that the movie really could fit on one platter and that would eliminate a) having to thread and start the projector as often and b) the possibility that someone would start the wrong half at any given time. My suggestion was ignored because a) they figured nobody could sit through a movie that long without needing a bathroom break and b) they thought they could sell more popcorn during the intermission.

So, just to prove my point, I wound the start of "part two" around "part one" when I threaded up the machine. I wound it on there tight enough that it held, even without taping the two ends together. Then (with a little uncertainty) I watched as the movie played and, indeed, the whole thing fit confortably on one platter. Then, when I played part one again, it would just end and leave part two behind on the platter in this big loop. Those were some nice, smooth platters. There was never any hint that the movie would slide off the platter... and it never did.

Nobody else ever loaded the film on one platter the way I did. But we never had any trouble with starting the wrong half of the movie when I set it up that way. I did the same thing with double features so that nobody would start the wrong film (and not realize it until after 15 minutes of trailers were over). But I had to be cautious when both movies were long ones.

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Randy Stankey
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We COULD have put Gone With the Wind on one platter but we diddn't. At first I wanted to do it but I thought better of it. If there was a problem such as a wrap it is a LOT easier to deal with it.

If you 'need' to do it, such as a drive-in I don't see a problem with it but the operator had better know what (s)he's doing in case of trouble.

PS: I just visited one of my theatres that has Christie "Mini-Winds". I don't know if this was added by somebody else, or if they came that way, but they have a metal "guard rail" on them...

There are holes drilled around the perimeter of the deck and there are pins that go down into them. I bet there's no way in hell you'll ever throw a print off those babies!

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Brad Miller
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If the platter is timed correctly, there really isn't a problem. I used to do that all of the time when we had a double up in an auditorium that was "print A/print B" during the matinee and then "print A/print B" during the evening. Using a stop cue and an intermission timer, the print would run, stop and restart all on it's own. We never did anything special other than using FilmGuard, tucking the tail and double checking for precise timing on the platter the first two passes. (A big tip off of bad platter timing on AW3s is if there is a "bump" in the payout speed *or* if the takeup arm "bounces" toward the end of the roll.)

By the way, for people using that technique Greg described above to prevent people from threading the wrong feature, a Bevanpoo does in fact work quite nicely as a guarantee measure to prevent print sliding by placing it in the brain to prevent the feed arm from passing farther than around 50% speed. (Note: tip not for use on all platter models, like SPECOs and Strongs.)

Greg, remember though your double length test was performed back in the good ol' days of acetate film. Life was much easier back then. With acetate static was never an issue, payout was smoother and you could double up 2 prints on a horribly timed platter without problems.


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Kevin Crawford
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I have done it with both Speeco and Christie AW3s. The only problems I have seen is mistimed platters, easily fixable if you monitor the first couple of runs throughs. And one time a manager thinking that he knew what he was doing taped the two features together with masking tape. Little did he know when he went in to start the next show that forty minutes of it had already run through. Not as easily fixable. I think there were over 50 refunds for that show.

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Tim Reed
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Chris:
If you'll remember at the South Park d/i, we always ran triple features, so this was S.O.P. for me. And with Potts-style (on-off-on-off) platters, too! I never had a problem, but then I was always compulsively shoving the prints to the center of the deck. Those edge-of-the-deck loads were never a problem, because I always used that small paper clasp, to fasten the tails to the platter.

Ideally, I'd have the first feature by itself on a deck, changeover to an intermission clock on my carbon machine, and have the 2nd and 3rd feature spliced together on the third deck. This way, I never had to leave the screen (one of my drive-in pet peeves... the show must go on). If we needed a second intermission, that was easily inserted via the second machine, followed by a jab of the stop button on the first.

Sometimes, the lengths of the movies would necessitate my splicing the first two movies together, and putting the third on a deck by itself. If this happened, I'd leave off the first reel of the third movie, so I could run it on the carbon machine. This would give me time to rethread the platter, without leaving the screen. Intermission was still run on the carbon machine, because it kept that reel easily accessible. I could change trailers at the manager's whim, right on up till the time it had to run.

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Mike Spaeth
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I'm considering doing this next weekend for my "Dinosaur/Gone in 60 Seconds Reissue Combo." The only sticking point is that Dinosaur is Flat and Gone in 60 Seconds is Scope. I was thinking this could easily be achieved w/ an outboard cue (CFS Automation), and the turret activated, but that would require removing the cue from my Company trailer, and dimming the lights manually. Does anyone else have a suggestion to make life easier for me (hopefully this combo only lasts for 1 week). By the way, who thought of combining those two? Can you think of ONE PERSON that would come to see BOTH of those movies? Oh well, it's not like there's anything else out there.

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Brad Miller
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Is this some big reissue, or just specific to your theater? I've not heard of it, but it sounds like a bad programming combo.

Is it to run non-stop? If not, why not just put a stop cue on the film and have the projectionist flip the lens when the projector is restarted?

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Aaron Sisemore
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Back about 15 years ago we did a Halloween marathon showing of Friday the 13th parts 1 thru 5, I built Parts I and II together on one deck, and parts III and IV on the other, and while Part 3/4 were running I broke down Parts 1/2 and made up Part 5. This was on an AW2 with the fiberglass decks and there wasnt much of a problem, but as Brad mentioned it was also the good ol' acetate days...

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Mike Spaeth
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I don't believe that this is specific to my theater, as I know of at least one other theater (this one's in Kansas City) that's doing it... BTW - I'm not sure how to put a stop cue on my automation. I'm assuming it may have to be put into "intermission" mode?


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Scott D. Neff
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Back when I ran our single screen with an AW3 - we quite often had a broken deck on our platter. Without an employee to help scoop the movie around, I decided it'd be a better idea to just build the double feature up on one deck (like the AW2 Manuals suggest)

I never had a problem. I usually only did it with short features --- but I loved it. Two full programs: Leader, 3 trailers, the feature; Leader, 3 trailers and a feature, all spliced together.

We would either set the automation to Intermission so when the cue was read after the 1st feature's credits the system would shut off. OR we'd just run upstairs and stop it, and motor through the leader until it was at a proper starting point.

THE ONLY DRAWBACK - If nobody shows up for the first movie, you have to run it anyway just to get to the second movie. (Quite often during those times, nobody would show up for either movie, and because you had to play the 2nd movie to get back to the first movie, you had to run TWO shows for nobody.)

BUT IT'S NICE TO SAY I'VE DONE IT THOUGH.

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John Wilson
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Didn't 'Gandhi' come with a natural intermission? I'm sure it did. I'll look it up and get back to you.

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Greg Anderson
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The place where we added the intermission was a pretty good spot for one, actually. It wasn't in the middle of a scene or anything like that, but there was no other indication that the filmmakers wanted us to put an intermission there (as I recall more than 17 years later...).

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