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Paul Konen
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Just visited the newest multiplex in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and here is what they have

Stong Platters
Christie Lamphouse
Simplex Millenium Projector Head

The heads are neat in that they have a glass panel on the gear side (non-operator) that you can see the oil spray and gear operation.
http://www.strong-cinema.com//html/projectors.html#simplex

They have the new Sony SDDS reader DFP-R3000(no cover) and Sony 8 Channel processors. DFP-D3000. Did you know that the print title is encoded in the SDDS track. It shows it on the Processor screen.
http://www.sdds.com/new/index.html

New QSC DCM Amps and Monitor. Makes wiring a lot more easier because of color coding. Alot neater too. It terminates into a wire box on the wall. No wire nuts, etc.
http://www.qscaudio.com/products/amps/dca/dcmintro.htm


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Brad Miller
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Congratulations to AMC for mixing and matching and not just going with a bulk package deal. What kind of automation did they have?

Where are the pics?

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Phil Hill
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Thanks for all the VENDOR links instead of the booth pics......

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Paul Konen
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I will see about getting some pictures in the future. I went to see a Cinemark guy that works there now.

The automation I believe is the CNA-2000 (?) It has a LCD display and you tell it when to do this, when to do that, etc.

Oh yeah, an Optical Failsafe.

Sorry I didn't get more precise with manufacturers on this one.

One drawback is the port windows. They are about 6 ft wide and 4 ft tall. 2/3 is tilted back for the slide projector and projector, other 1/3 is operator side straight up and down. They all generally start around the knees. There is an incredible amount of light leak from the booth into the theatre and onto the screen. They are thinking of putting masonite or some kind of covering to help rid itself of the excess light.

One other thing, one side of the booth is large enough were you could probably put a 1/2 basketball court in. It's huge. Also traditional no ceiling, concrete floors.

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Brad Miller
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Many AMC theaters in Dallas have had to resort to hanging black cloth over the window to keep booth light out of the auditorium. Anyone know exactly why AMC feels the need to make those ports quite so large?

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Jason Burroughs
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Brad,

When I opened the Grand in Dallas, we had those large port windows, It was told to us that it was the result of planning for the future. They wanted to be able to stick 2 projectors side by side (film & digital) without having to carve the theatre up later. One thing I will give the ports that AMC uses is that they are pretty sound tight, and since they do not open prevent operators from being tempted to open them during the movie. To go around that they had to put a 2 PVC pipe through the booth wall to allow for mic wires etc to be passed into the auditorium. We had some light problems but not too many. Only thing I would like to have changed in the design of the booth is an acoustic ceiling. It helps quieten the noise quite a bit. Also at the Grand the Booth is 1 giant return duct for the AC system. So all the dust ect from the auditoriums end up in the booth. The AC system at the grand was woefuly underplanned with it opened We had only 6 AC units for a 24 screen theatre, using high velocity directed ducting, They ended up having to go back and put a chilled water system to add to the cooling capabilities of the AC system.

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Dave Cutler
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Speaking of port glass in AMC booths. This may be a really silly question, but is port glass designed to be installed a certain way?

The reason I ask is this. At the BarryWoods 24 in Kansas City you can stand in the booth and yell into the auditorium and be heard quite easily, but if you are standing right next to the glass on the auditorium screaming at the top of your lungs you CANNOT be heard in the booth. This all means that you can hear every projector in every auditorium and it is very annoying.

Anyone know what the reason might be?

I wish the DID open, I can't get some of my projectionists to CLEAN the port glass because they won't stand on the tops of the auditorium seats.


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Dave Cutler
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Automation at the StoneBriar is most likely the Strong Cinemation CNA-200. AMC has installed it exclusivly since it's came on the market in 1997. It's a good automation, I haven't had any major problems with it.

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John Pytlak
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Dave:

I doubt that the sound transmission of the port glass differs whether the sound is going from the booth to the auditorium, or vice-versa. I suspect the reason for your observation is that the smaller area of the booth concentrates its sounds on the glass, but the very large area of the auditorium dissipates its sounds before it hits the glass. Also, there is alot of background noise in the booth, whereas the auditorium is relatively quiet.

With very large ports, it's almost mandatory that at least two panes of port glass be used, and that they be acoustically sealed.

Cinema Equipment Sales has the THX suggestions for projection ports on-line on their Tech Pages, under THX Architectural Suggestions: http://www.cinemaequipmentsales.com/.

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Greg Pauley
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I just came up with a pretty good solution for leaking light thru the port windows. I'll start a new thread and show some pictures of my idea over the next couple of days.

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Scott Norwood
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I really don't get the idea behind the large port windows that seem to be so common in newly constructed theatres. I agree that light and sound leakage are major problems in such installations. Also, optical-quality glass would be tremendously expensive in the large sizes.

The "need for two projectors in one booth" justification doesn't make much sense, either. In the older theatres where I have worked, the ports were no larger than 12" square, with two ports per projector (one for projection, one for viewing), and sometimes a third large port with a drop-down shutter for a spotlight.

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Gordon McLeod
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With the very short focal lengths of most lens it isn't uncommon for the image on the port to be 2 or 3 feet in width. With all the sloppy construction techniques by making the windows even oversized allows for errors in positioning the machine to be corrected easilly.

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Gregory Brannon
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Paul, I visited the AMC Grapevine Mills 30 a few weeks ago and talked to a manager there that was going to be one of the manager at the new AMC Stonebriar 24. He told me some impressive features for the theatre such as Radius Seating, double wide rows and supposedly new revised Tourus Screens that aren't curved at the top and bottom like the older AMC builds. However I forgot to ask him two questions that you may can answer for me. Will Stonebriar have a Digital Projector or will Cinemark Legacy remain the sole DLP theatre in the Dallas area. And will Hollow Man run in SDDS 8 Channel for their grand opening? I am going there tomorrow night for a Charity Pre Grand Opening and I'm looking forward to experiencing the newest AMC. FYI that manager that I spoke with also told me that they are putting in new seats in The AMC Grand. Now if only they could get rid of those old bench style seats at Grapevine Mills.

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Joe Redifer
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Perhaps if theatre companies feel the need to install such large port windows, they could also install sliders to limit the light leakage as well. Just slide the doors open to the projector you are going to use, and only enough for the light to get from the lens onto the screen. There should always be a separate observation window.

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Paul Konen
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I didn't see any additional outlets to allow for the DLP projector to be positioned everywhere so I would assume that Legacy will be the only DLP for a while.

I believe the seating is somewhat unique. I wouldn't say that the seating is double wide, the seats are actually standard width. Maybe they were referring to the walking space between rows because the seats don't flip up.

I would say that the screens are normal theatrical curved screens. They are NOT perforated. They are NOT the "sucking" screens.

A funny note about the port glass, there is a hole with a 2" hole with a sliding cover so you can hear the sound.

I agree with the earlier post in regards to cleaning the port glass. It would be quite the effort to clean the theatre side of the glass.

In regards to the automation, they are talking about running 3 shifts per day, 1 persons opens, 1 mid shift and 1 closer. Does this mean that the automation will start the projector at the right time or is it still a manual start.

It would be quite the effort to thread and start 24 screens on your own without timers.

My family and I may be at the Wed event also.

Paul.

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