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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 06-19-2000 11:39 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
My advance apologies to everyone for the banner ads. As the site has grown to an immense proportion, this has become an economic necessity. (It was either that or start deleting older manuals, pictures, forum posts, etc.) As anyone who has ever worked with managing a website knows, storage can be an expensive thing (just check out the incredible number of manuals). Bandwidth is an ever bigger thing though, and with the site traffic we have been seeing over the last several months, not only are our servers getting to a point where they are having difficulty handling the load (we will be switching to yet another upgrade in a few weeks to handle it) but the "overuse" in bandwidth bills are becoming extreme to keep the site running. (Bandwidth is any time someone downloads a file, or even peruses the forum, the size of the file is recorded and only so much is alotted without extra charges.)

Anyway, the ads are the answer to keeping the site going in it's current state, with future additions planned (details soon). I'm not too thrilled about the flashing neon green ad that popped up this morning and will see what control I can get over displaying non-animated files. However, I feel even if nothing can be done about the selection of ads displayed, it is most important to keep this information publicly available and free of charge.

Finally, I have currently only implemented the ads into the top of the forums entry page, so as only to distract for a few seconds. This entry page may be awful ugly at times (the codes are not finished), but I have done it in this manner to avoid disturbing the forums once you are inside. Hopefully this will be enough to cover some of the increasing costs.

Thanks to everyone in advance for your understanding.


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Christopher Seo
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Los Angeles, CA
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 06-19-2000 01:39 PM      Profile for Christopher Seo   Email Christopher Seo   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's quite understandable, and I for one certainly want to keep as much of the previous postings, etc. as possible. Just as long as you never EVER agree to play Movie Tunes here.

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Jason Burroughs
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Allen, TX
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 06-19-2000 01:45 PM      Profile for Jason Burroughs   Email Jason Burroughs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I agree. The services provided by this website FAR out weigh the presence a few banner ads. Brad has worked hard for a long time to provide us with this service while absorbing the full cost himself, the introduction of a few ads to offset the cost is completely understandable.

High marks to Brad and the whole Film-Tech team for providing an outstanding service and passing NONE of the cost down to the users.

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Evans A Criswell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 06-19-2000 02:34 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't think the presence of a few advertising banners will detract from this site, and it is a small price to pay for having all of the information available. I have been reading USENET groups since 1992, and have seen many types of forums, and this site definitely has one of the best signal-to-noise ratios of any newsgroup or forum I've ever seen.

The only types of banners that I truly despise are the ones that pop up a separate window when a page is loaded. The ones that just sit there, or at worst, animate themselves to beg for attention, are not that bad.

Evans (who remembers the WWW before commercialization and the net before the WWW)

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 06-19-2000 08:19 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
That's OKAY, chief! You do whatever you have to, we're with ya!

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Better Projection Pays!

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Paul Konen
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 06-20-2000 08:16 AM      Profile for Paul Konen   Email Paul Konen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Are these click through ads where you get paid when clicking or just for presentation.

Paul.

If click through, then everyone needs to click 2-3 each visit.

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 06-20-2000 06:41 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
The ads are click through AND "impression". A significant higher rate is given to actual ads that are clicked on, but there are a few catches to it being counted.

First, once it is clicked on, the page it takes you to must completely load, or it does not count. (In other words, a quick click and then a "back" click will not count.)

Second, the system records IP addresses and will not count multiple clicks as more than one over a 6 hour time span. So if you haven't been at Film-Tech for at least 6 hours, it would count if clicked on again. However, if the last time you were at Film-Tech was 5 hours 55 minutes earlier, a click through would not count.

Of course, I'm not allowed to ask visitors for click throughs, but you DID ask and it would be rude of me not to reply.

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 06-21-2000 09:07 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Everytime I click on one of the ads, I am asked if I will accept a cookie from ads.adflight.com. After I accept the cookie, I get the message: "The document contained no data. Try again, or contact the server administrator." So even if I want to read the ads to "help the cause", I can't.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Randy Stankey
Film God

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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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 - posted 06-21-2000 09:17 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't mind the ads THAT much. I thought it was rather odd at first, though.

Not knowing a whole lot about the subject, let me ask a question...

Can you ask for only certain types of ads to be shown? You know, for a certain demographic or audience? The one thing I DO hate about ads is that you'll get ones from completely unrelated subjects to what you're watching.

I always said that I don't MIND the Coke ads as long as they have some kind of a movie theme or have some kind of a tie-in with movies. All right, the anti-drug PSAs and the Air Force recruiting ones, I'll let slide because they are for a noble purpose. (Not that I always agree with noble purposes but HEY! This is America!)

Back on the subject: I would be more friendly towards ads if they were "somehow" related to the subject matter of the site. Okay, advertising film products would be too narrow a nitche to advertise for but maybe ads targeted towards "20-40 year old males with technical backgrounds" or something like that.

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John Pytlak
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 - posted 06-21-2000 09:30 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Randy said: "...maybe ads targeted towards "20-40 year old males with technical backgrounds" or something like that."

What about the women and us "old timers"? I need to see ads about AARP, Geritol and retirement homes!

Actually movie/entertainment industry ads would be of interest to most of us, as well as "techie" things. But age and gender have nothing to do with it.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 06-21-2000 11:56 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
John,

You're right. There are a lot of younger, older people and there are men and women too.

It's just that I'm not THAT good of a typist and typing "Men, women, younger or older" was too much for my fat fingers to tap out! That's what "something like that" meant.

Point was: Is is possible to to some informal research (or even just sit down and think about) the types of people who log into a particular site and tailor the kinds of ads that get displayed?

It's not that I mind the ads, it's just like last winter when we had to play those dumb "Buddy Lee" spots on our movies. They SUCKED! Not only were they stupid but they were pretty ineffective becasue they also played on TV. On the other hand, those "Standup Spotlight" ads we played for Coca-Cola were tolerable. They plugged a movie-related product. (ie: "Go out to the concession stand and buy some Coke.") Furthermore, they told jokes about funny things that happen in movies. You may not like the comic AND they get real old after you've seen them 9,000,000 times but the point is that you're not being forced to sit through an ad for "American Express Blue Card"! (Heck! Most movie theatres don't even TAKE credit cards!)

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Jason Burroughs
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 - posted 06-21-2000 12:53 PM      Profile for Jason Burroughs   Email Jason Burroughs   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If the marketing guys at Christie, Strong, etc.... were smart, they'd jump all over the oppertunity to advertise on this site. Talk about targeted demographics....

It would be a GREAT venue to advertise and promote their new products. All of course to be reviewed by Joe

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


 - posted 06-21-2000 01:45 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't have the capability to specify certain types of ads, although I do think there is some form of advertising that can be done direct if a certain advertiser wanted it. I've actually received a few interested "high profile" companies in the cinema industry interested, but as of current, I'm still learning on how this whole thing works.

John, you seem to have all the surfing fun here! Maybe your browser was secretly manufactured from Fuji, eh? I'll pass the word along to the advertising company.

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Evans A Criswell
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From: Huntsville, AL, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 06-21-2000 01:54 PM      Profile for Evans A Criswell   Author's Homepage   Email Evans A Criswell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
>It's not that I mind the ads, it's just
>like last winter when we had to play those
>dumb "Buddy Lee" spots on our movies.

>On the other hand, those "Standup
>Spotlight" ads we played for Coca-Cola
>were tolerable. They plugged a movie-
>related product. (ie: "Go out to the

Speaking of ads:
Have y'all seen the new Regal policy trailer? It is a bar scene and this little girl comes in talking with a man's voice telling people not to talk, smoke, etc. It also has a built-in ad for Pepsi (she orders one). I thought, "This is cute, but I hope I won't have to see it too many times, because it will get old really quickly." I saw it for the first time last night (Titan A.E.). After using the "Regal Train" since at least 1987, it's good to see something different, but after seeing this new one 2 or 3 times, I'll probably long for the Regal Train (or whatever it was) again.

As for the banner ads on this site, it would seem perfectly logical for theatre equipment companies to use this very unique site to help push products that most people here would be interested in inquiring about. They'll not get a better opportunity.

Evans

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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 - posted 06-21-2000 03:00 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad: It's not always my browser's fault. Recall the "fade-in" problem that turned out to be a software change by Film-Tech. But in this case, I suspect our IT people may be automatically "locking out" certain sites, like advertisers. Just would have liked helping Film-Tech by reading a few ads.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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