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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 05-25-2000 07:56 PM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK- this is one thing that gone thru my mind for a number of years, and I am gonna share it with the rest of you out there...

This is an Olympic year, why not have the first annual Film-Tech Olympics? Film Techers the world over can compete in various film-tech related events and have a great time as well as prove (or disprove) their projection or technical prowess! All in fun, of course, as some of these things I am proposing are obviously not exactly the most 'kosher' things to do under a real booth condition, but I think it would be a great way to blow off a little steam and have a great time doing so

Event ideas I have thought of include:

-Timed platter threading from ring-in print to a picture on screen. Seconds deducted for misthreading, out-of-frame, bad loops, missed platter components, etc.

-Timed projector fieldstripping, or timed projector reassembly(from a pile of parts(?)) or both: Points deducted for sloppiness or missing parts, or non functionality, etc

-Timed xenon bulb changes (using a 'dummy' bulb for obvious safety reasons)

-Timed Diode changes

-DTS 'discus' throw

-Timed print inspection/make-up/breakdown, in two divisions: Platters and 6000' reels: points deducted for sloppiness and other mistakes

-(Team Event) Complete booth installation from boxed gear to operating booth picture and sound... points off for obviousl discrepancies...

Any other ideas for events??

We could have the Olympics sometime in the summer, or maybe better yet suring ShoWest, where we could get the manufacturers and dealers to sponsor events with equipment or funds

Just thought I'd toss this one in the air and see where it landed....

Aaron



Dustin Mitchell
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-Timed platter trailer changeout
-timed changing of shutter timing belt on a Christie, points deducted for not getting it timed right the first try
-timed fixing of a brainwrap (on a junk print of course

Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-25-2000 08:47 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course you would have to have the changeover contest to see who can changeover with the least loss of frames. I know who would win this!

I think we should have it in the winter during the Salt Lake Olympics. This way the games could all be handled with the usual amount of corruption.
We can have a contest to see which tech could leave downtown Salt Lake City and arrive at the Carmike Cinema in Park City first. Most would be stiffled by the altitude up there(except Ian, he's used to it now), then there will be 150,000 plus people in a town that normally has 10,000. Since you will not be able to drive your car you will have to use one of the 1000 shuttle busses that will be available, and you will have to carry all your test gear through this all. You will of course be allowed to do this on x-country skis if you prefer. This repair would require a parts order for overnight delivery and you would have to check in at a hotel and stay there till the parts arrived. Etc, Etc.
Mark

Steve Kraus
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 - posted 05-25-2000 08:54 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sounds like fun but can you come up with some contests that are not based on time? Rushing through everything isn't necessarly a virtue in a profession that prides itself on quality.

OK, now having said that I will promptly contradict myself by suggesting another timed event: Changeover projection using an old print that has been chopped into progressively shorter and shorter rolls (each leadered up and cued): 20 min, 10min, 5 min, 3min, 2min, 1min, 30 seconds etc. You're threading the next roll while the prior is running and changing over to it on time. Miss the change and you're out.

I should also mention that I think I may have set a record this morning for setting up an unmarried 2-track LT/RT mag track. Poor client went to all this trouble to prep some film for a VIP screening (including cross country flights) only to find that they gave him a silent answer print...so I had to run interlocked mag on no notice with the client's audience due any moment. Change heads, set Dolby level, set up scope for X/Y, azimuth heads, set up analyzer, set EQ. All in about 4 minutes. Maybe that could be a PROJECTOLYMPICS event.

Steve Guttag
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>>"OK, now having said that I will promptly contradict myself by suggesting another timed event: Changeover projection using an old print that has been chopped into progressively shorter and shorter rolls (each leadered up and cued): 20 min, 10min, 5 min, 3min, 2min, 1min, 30 seconds etc. You're threading the next roll while the prior is running and changing over to it on time. Miss the change and you're out."<<

The "Changeover Limbo"....I like it! ;-)

Steve

PS, I haven't forgotten the other thread...the Baysox have been on a homestand and I haven't had the time to get back to it.

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"Old projectionists never die, they just changeover!"

Russ Kress
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 - posted 05-26-2000 12:22 AM      Profile for Russ Kress   Author's Homepage   Email Russ Kress   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
THE MAIN EVENT!!!

All competitors will have gone without sleep for 20 hours prior to the competition.

This is a platter event. The participant can choose the platter and projector that they compete with.

They will thread and play a two minute length of film as quickly as they can, repeatedly for 30 minutes.

A scratch means you lose, period.

Mistakes in loops will be tolerated so long as they do not cause presentation problems (jumping, etc).

NO FILM GUARD!!! You must preserve the quality of your film with no outside help.

Finally, as each contestant takes his turn, the others will be in the auditorium beating on the port glass! Obscenities will be allowed so long as they are "politically correct".

The operator may not break down and return the obscenities. He/she must maintain thier composure and be a "pillar of the community" at all costs.

Everyone jump in! Can this event BE any harder!!?

Russ

Joe Redifer
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 - posted 05-26-2000 01:51 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How about these:

-Timed alignment of a Christie basement Dolby Digital reader with a 6 month old LED and two year old belts so it read's 0's, 1's and 2's. Maximum time alloted: 5 minutes

-EQ auditoriums by ear (accuracy will be checked with a THX R2 analyzer.)

-Timed rewinding of media pads.

-Competition to see who can change a xenon bulb mid-show and lose the least amount of light (all while the projector is running).

-Threading of projectors while they are running.

-Competition to see who can change out a bad Christie platter LED while the show is running and not cause a brainwrap or platter drop (must be done on a real movie with a real audience).

-FilmGuard swallowing contest (who can drink the most bottles in 2 minutes?)

-Sleeping contest. Who can enter the deepest sleep and ignore all manager and customer complaints, while all of the projectors running (but not correctly, of course)?


Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-26-2000 02:25 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Joe, Joe, Joe...the olympics must be feasible. A Christie SRD basement reader with a 6 month old led in 5 minutes with a result of "2" or less on the error scale? IT CAN'T BE DONE!

The EQing by ear would be interesting.

There is a union man (retired now I belive) up north somewhere who could actually thread a machine while it was running. Wish I knew his name or the local's number. Anyone know this guy?

Steve and Steve...I'll race ya. It's been 10 years since I've done any changeovers on a regular basis (outside of special screenings), but there's nothing like running previews alternating between 2 machines because the theater won't spring for a splicer! (You'll probably both still slaughter me on this one, but it would be fun.)

Aaron Sisemore...there are no dummy xenons in use today, so I feel we should be using REAL 7000 watt xenons nice and hot fresh from being ran only minutes earlier for the olympics. Otherwise what's the fun?

We used to do a smaller version of our own booth olympics back at Cinemark Vista Ridge in the late 80s. My favorite events were:

*One handed threading. Yes, you have one hand tied behind your back and you must thread the entire platter AND projector IN FRAME. Whoever can do it the fastest with perfect loops and no mistakes wins. (I always won.)

*Blind threading. Just like the above, but you get both hands, but no sight. Any out of frame startups is an automatic disqualification! (I only lost once.)

*One handed and blind threading. Even more fun. Combine the two previous. No misframes! (Definitely difficult, but I can do it given enough time.)

Other fun events that come to mind:

*The interlock competition. Whoever can interlock all 30 screens at the local AMC with one print and NOT damage it in any way whatsoever with the quickest thread and setup time wins.

*The minimal interlock competition. Who can set up an interlock system from scratch at the local AMC 30 plex with the LEAST amount of rollers wins. (Rollers mounted on the platter trees do not count towards your overall roller count, so use them creatively.)

*The manual changeover competition. Whoever can run the most auditoriums without missing a single changeover or making a single mistake of any sort wins. Note: this will be ran on original 2000 foot shipping reels with absolutely NO automation of any sort, including failsafes. Only splicing together of the trailer presentations will be allowed. (Of course, I think we all know who will win this.)

*The ADA competition. Who can run the most screens with platters while being restricted to a wheelchair.

*The creative dubbing competition. Each person gets a print of "Dinosaur" and is to make a tape/cd of dialogue to be played through the center channel, while the other channels are played simultaneously off of the digital tracks. Most points are given to the most creative and perverted storyline. (We all know projectionists are perverted. )

*The PTR competition. Who can clean the booth floor best, armed only with two Kodak PTRs!

Christopher Seo
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 - posted 05-26-2000 05:01 AM      Profile for Christopher Seo   Email Christopher Seo   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, I give up. How do you reliably thread in frame if you're blind? Try to find a (presumably in-frame) splice? If you can, anyway, then I guess I can't joke anymore about the Hawaii Theater, where the booth door is labeled in Braille.

Scott Norwood
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OK, how about:

- the "who needs reference frames" competition: you will be given a six-reel feature which you have never seen; all of the reels are unlabelled. Show the feature (your choice: small reels, large reels, or platters) in the proper order. You will be given thirty minutes of inspection/makeup time before the film must be on screen. Those who complete this round successfully will move on to the finals, where prints will have density tracks.
- the drive-in/carbon-arc competition: you will be given two features, a short, and an intermission reel; show the entire double-feature using the least amount of carbons. Screen illumination will be judged by John Pytlak and the Screencheck inspectors and must not drop below 16fl. Whoever has the shortest average stub length wins. Carbon savers are allowed.
- the "A-chain alignment" competition: you will be given one reel each of an Academy mono film and a Dolby Stereo film. Using only standard tools (no oscilloscope, no Dolby-tone film, no test loops), do an A-chain alignment on the soundhead of your choice by ear. Variation: 4-track 35mm and 6-track mag head alignments by ear.
- the "who needs automation" competition: this should take place in a 30-plex. You will start showing films on all screens; automation systems will randomly be deactivated. You must continue to run all of the shows manually, without missing any cues, until all automation units have been deactivated and you are running the entire 30-plex manually. Whoever can run the most screens without automation and without errors wins.

Kyle Smith
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The Brad Miller Emergency Event: the local 50-plex has just closed down and your six-plex has to handle the entire fall out or you lose. The catch--not only do you have to thread all the 2000' reels (yes, all changeovers) accurately and not miss a changeover, you need to do this while using the least amount of carbons, never dropping below 16 fl as determined by John Pytlak, WHILE handling ALL box office, concession AND usher duties all by yourself, WITHOUT ERROR.

Kyle Smith
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Oh, and one more thing: projection must be done while blindfolded using only one hand.

Mark Gulbrandsen
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Argh! The union in Chicago once sent a one armed man out to run a 70mm house. For the first show he had the film in the projector backwards (with the mag sound away from the head). There was still muffled sound but the picture came up backwards. Took him over 1/2 hour to rethread!! I guess the audience was not expecting too much at this Dollar Fifty house as they did all wait. Just another episode from the Chicago Stooges.


The another contest would be a dailies run of the 1st rough cut of "Uncle Buck" This is 29 reels long with reels of largely varing sizes. Anywhere form 2 min to 10 min. All this threaded up on my old magnasync dubbers with selsyn interlock, Century C projectors with old yellow Lume-x lamphouses that had sticky dowsers. Good luck! It can be done though.
Mark

Phil Connolly
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How about the Imax/Costner/Cameron Print weight Lifting compertition?


John Pytlak
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Or Tug-of-War using a polyester print? (Without the recommended tension-sensing failsafes).

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Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com



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