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Dustin Mitchell
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 05-25-2000 02:33 PM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Ok so I'm trying to get my hands on some film cleaners. I go to MTS's website to check out some prices. Am I looking at the wrong listing or DO PTR'S REALLY COST $545 AND $90 FOR EACH REPLACEMENT ROLLER!! DO KELMAR MEDIA CLEANER'S REALLY COST $655!! Replacement media is listed at $24. Is this for one roll? I certainly hope not but given the other prices I guess I wouldn't be surprised.

Christ, I'm never going to get one of these things now .

Ethan Harper
E-dawggg!!!

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From: Plano, TX, USA
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 - posted 05-25-2000 03:02 PM      Profile for Ethan Harper   Email Ethan Harper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
in response to your post.

I have recently purchased my Kelmar Media Cleaners at NCS for about 511.00 a piece.

do you need aw3 brackets?

what will yoyu be using PTR's for?

i would also try looking in used equipment in the film handlers forum.


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John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-25-2000 03:22 PM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I just checked the FPC website ( http://www.fpcfilm.com ) and 3-inch diameter 35mm PTRs are $57.15 each for the normal surface, and $58.20 for the "matte" finish. With normal care and cleaning (washing in water after each show, or carefully using adhesive tape to pull off the captured dirt), one pair of PTRs should effectively clean at least 5 million feet of print film (about 3 months cleaning 5 shows per day).

PTRs are widely used by film laboratories, film-to-video transfer labs, special venue theatres (e.g., IMAX), and theatres. As noted in other threads, they can become overloaded with debris from severely abraded film, but are very effective with normal dirt levels. Because of their cushioned soft surface and rolling contact with the film, they have very low risk of scratching film (e.g., they are used for cleaning camera original film at labs), and leave no residue on the film.

P.S. - I'm the co-inventor of PTR film cleaning. That's why I'm so enthusiastic.


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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com


Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-25-2000 03:47 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
The prices Ethan quoted are pretty accurate. Expect $500-575 for a media cleaner and a box of pads (8 sets) is around $20-40 depending on where you buy them.

Moneywise, a media cleaner is cheaper and most people here will agree does a better job (especially ran wet with FilmGuard).

(Sorry John, had to be said. )


Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 05-25-2000 04:13 PM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I already have PTR's, I was quoting the price becuase I couldn't believe it. $500??!! I can maybe understand %50 for replacement rollers, but a PTR is really not that complex. Give a break people.

As far as media cleaners go, I'm never going to see one. Not at that price anyway.

Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-25-2000 04:17 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Try contacting dealers such as International Cinema Equipment in Florida for used machines. Their email address is: ICECO@aol.com Speak to Steve Krams. I think their prices for used cleaners is between $100-150.

Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-25-2000 06:09 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dustin, OK, I will give you a break!
I can sell you a brand new Kelmar media cleaner for 504.35 if you prepay the order. It comes with 1 platter or projector mounting bracket. Extra brackets are 57.75 and cleaning media(white) is 22.23 for a box of 8 sets. If I order 25 boxes or more the price drops quite a bit. Kelmar PTR cleaners would run you 227.15 each and do not include a mounting bracket so you have to add that price to the cleaner. I will offer this same price(cost plus 10%)to anyone here on Film-Tech. Film-Guard(highly reccomended!)is also available discounted. VISA/Mastercard also accepted but adds 3.5% to your cost.
Mark
mark@getgts.com www.getgts.com
801-485-5012-8am to 6pm M.T.

Note:8:50 PM 5/26/2000, I have just discovered that my price was not figured correctly. It should probably be a bit lower that I posted. I will double check this and make any correction to the prices I posted on Tuesday. Those that ordered film cleaners today will have their accounts credited the difference. Thanks to all that have purchased!!


Dustin Mitchell
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 - posted 05-25-2000 06:32 PM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here is my problem:

1) Booth supplies (splicing tape, oil, etc.) must be ordered from Capitol City Supply
2) Projector parts must be ordered from MTS.

This is company policy. I will call or email the district office tommorrow to see if I can get around this.

Pete Lawrence
Expert Film Handler

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From: Middleburg, PA
Registered: Aug 1999


 - posted 05-25-2000 08:25 PM      Profile for Pete Lawrence   Email Pete Lawrence   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dustin,

Tell them it's really for repairing the popcorn machine and get it out of petty cash. Hell, the suits think the customers are only there for the soda and popcorn anyway.

Seriously, I got one used Christie media cleaner (same as the Kelmar) off eBay a while back and the seller, Steven Krams at ICECO, was more than happy to sell me a second at the same price, $150. Somehow get yourself at least one media cleaner so you can use Film-Guard!

Steve Guttag
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 - posted 05-25-2000 09:11 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark,

Is that price for genuine Kelmar film cleaning media or for Neumade?

Steve

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 05-26-2000 01:55 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Mark is quoting a brand new Kelmar media cleaner, and a pretty good price at that!

To anyone who runs across one, the older Christie FC-1 cleaners are basically the same thing as the current Kelmars, except the supply shafts have screw-on caps instead of push-on and they have no carrying handle. But they do the job just as well as the Kelmars.

John Pytlak
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 - posted 05-26-2000 06:29 AM      Profile for John Pytlak   Author's Homepage   Email John Pytlak   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No matter how you do it (PTRs or a media cleaner with FilmGuard), cleaning prints during each showing is a good idea, and not really that expensive for the extra quality it gives.

At the FPC price of $57.15 per PTR, and assuming a 3-month useful life, cleaning five shows a day with a pair of rollers costs only about $0.25 (25 cents) per show. Web cleaning media and FilmGuard are likewise a good investment in on-screen quality. Unfortunately, they are not compatible: you can't use PTRs on a print treated with FilmGuard because of the oily residue.

BTW, I was never a fan of using media cleaners DRY, since there was always risk of catching an abrasive particle and scratching the print. I once saw an entire print trashed because a dry media cleaner was used to clean a print that had an accumulation of cement dust from some booth construction work. The media looked like a piece of sandpaper from the dirt it picked up, and the print had numerous scratches throughout its length.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-26-2000 08:50 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My quotes are always for Kelmar media and cleaners. Their quality is hard to beat. My offer is only for regestered Film-Tech people ,and any Film-Guard user. All others get charged twice the list price(kidding, as I don't really like the smiley face either). We also keep the Kelmar media in stock!
Mark
P.S. I've also thought about building cheapo electrically driven media cleaners specifically for Film-Guard cleaning. These would be less than half the cost of a Kelmar media cleaner. It would be run by a gear reduction motor thats wired across the projector motor.


Gordon McLeod
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Mark FYI A motorized cleaner using media is patented by none other than Mr Joe Kelly ex UA and The Kel of Kelmar. The patent is worded to include all varieties of a motorized mechinism moving a media tape to clean film

Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 05-26-2000 02:14 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gord, Paulmar and RTI film cleaners and the majority of the film industry were motoring along cleaning media long before Joe Kelly may have come up with it. Whats the patent number, I'll look into it but I'd be willing to bet that its expired by now if there is one.
Thanks,
Mark




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