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Brad Miller
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Interesting that the "digital prints" of "Dinosaur" arrived at theaters on Tuesday. Even more interesting is the REAL films arrived at theaters Wednesday! Anyone know what prompted the early delivery from Technicolor?

Ok, now for the point of this thread:
Anyone else get a beat up and scratched used screening print? Even the replacement print was crap, actually to be more specific it was worse than the first rejected print...and yet it was "integrity inspected"! How can we be expected to put on a good show with a poorly mishandled used print? It is bs like this that is the reason why digital cinema will take over.

When in the HELL will Technicolor learn to SEND ALL SCREENING PRINTS BACK TO THE THEATERS THAT ORIGINALLY SCREENED THEM! (I think Technicolor must have stock in digital cinema.) A scratched print is just plain UNPLAYABLE! That's it...useless, garbage, junk...simply unplayable. Let the offending screening theaters deal with their own damaged prints, damnit! Buena Vista needs to open their eyes to the hell they have unleashed by contracting TES. How many screenings could BV have possibly done on this title, and what is the realistic odds that TWO such prints could end up on one theater...and why are they sending out prints that any good inspector should know are junk?

John, do you think Kodak might be able to make a difference with some sort of in-house training at the Technicolor depot? Do you think a little basic film handling and inspection instruction might help such things? Would they even listen?

Perhaps I could assemble a team of Film-Techers to personally visit the depot, explain and demonstrate what scratches, dirt and other damage really is so they know what to look for, and then have everyone simply slap the shit out of them for not caring.

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Michael Barry
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Brad, are you talking about emulsion scratches? I assume we're talking about the kind of damage which even FilmGuard won't help with...

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Brad Miller
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Yes, they were emulsion scratches. But even if they were base scratches, why should I be responsible for covering up someone else's mistake?

If I get a perfect brand new print from the lab, it will go back in exactly the same condition (or better considering how dirty the current film cans are), regardless of whether I play the thing for 6 months. It is a lack of caring and a lack of respect from the fine folks at TES.

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Ken Layton
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I say if the print is too badly scratched, then don't run it! When the powers that be see "$0.00" for a boxoffice gross then maybe they will "rattle a few cages" and get a good print.

Integrity Inspected only means it was integrity inspected for the integrity of the label!


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Brad Miller
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Nothing says Technicolor cares better than a dark screen.

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John Pytlak
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AFAIK, "Integrity Inspected" only means that they made sure all the reels were there. It is not a full inspection by rewinding and viewing.

It's unlikey that Disney paid TES do do a full inspection after only a preview screening. So I wouldn't blame TES for this one.

The sad thing is that whoever screened that print first didn't report the damage. I agree that one way to stop this would be to reroute screening prints back to the original theatres, so they have to deal with the problems they caused, or own up to it by having to request a new print.

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Brad Miller
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One little correction to the situation John, the prints did not have lab defects, and most probably only played once each. Technicolor is known for sending out a brand new print for each individual performance in advance of the actual opening date. This way they can get as many used prints in the field as possible. Anyway, the defects were operator mishandling and misthreading, as is usually the case 99% of the time.

Like I said, if Technicolor cared, they would send those prints back to the theaters that originally threw them together and ripped them apart (thinking they would never see that copy again and there is no need to be careful).

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Joe Redifer
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Somehow we need to make it known to the studios that they don't have to pay US to do a real inspection. We're just lowly theater grunts and we do a better job than anyone at TES as a part of our STANDARD service!

TES doesn't care. I have talked to many Technicolor representatives, including a few e-mails (and a fax) with one of their Vice Presidents, and none of them could possibly have an IQ over 80. I guess it is the one place in the industry that discriminates against intelligent people. I hate to say it publicly, but TES really blows. Hmmmm.....


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Dave Williams
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I actually by chance managed to get a TES employee to admit that integrity inspected does in fact only mean that they check to make sure that all of the reels are there, that they are either the head or the tail at the right end, depending on what end is out when they get it back.

If it doesnt say "full inspection", then you are getting a crap print. I got to the point where I was sending EVERY SINGLE PRINT BACK that had not gone through a full inspection. Now thats all my FORMER theater gets. Of course the down side is that you actually have to give a shit and take care of the print.

But what the hell do I care, you are right brad, digital is coming and these crap depot's and shit ass operators are killing the best medium for cinema.

Excuse my language, but it gets under my skin when people just stop caring. And Brad, Please let me know when you are planning your shit slapping tour of TES, I want to go.

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Brad Miller
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I'm thinking it should be part of a future Joe's This Blows review with all sorts of pictures and documentation of the SHITTY work Technicolor performs. What do you think Joe?

It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to charge the second scratched print to us...regardless of the fact the call was put in rejecting it 10 minutes after it arrived!


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John Wilson
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Wow Brad, you really ARE good! You can do all that damage in less than 10 minutes?

It took those other theaters about 89 minutes.

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Michael Barry
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Brad:

Naturally, I wasn't meaning to suggest that repairable damage (which this wasn't) alleviates anyone of the responsibility of what happened.

I should have mentioned this in my original post - don't get me wrong!

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Scott Norwood
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So, um, when's Joe going to review those super, awesome, way-cool Technicolor reels? I'm looking forward to this review with eager anticipation. (OK, I'm just bitter, since I had three of the black reels disintegrate on contact this evening...).

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Brad Miller
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I'm not sure if words (and even pictures) can possibly do justice for the sheer awesomeness that IS Technicolor reels.

I'm thinking he needs to make a downloadable video on the entire TES operation.

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Joe Redifer
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One of the vice presidents of Technicolor, Tim Maurer, said that I could not videotape the interior of the depot or even take pictures. I wonder what he is hiding?

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