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John Wilson
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Yes, it's here. George Lucas' perfect excuse to be in Sydney for the Olympics...'filming' the next instalment in the Star Wars Chronicles.

This clipping is from today's paper... the person being interviewed is Rick McCallum, the producer...

>>Apart from the inherent fascination of seeing what Lucas's imagination can conjure up, there will be many watching to see the success of the decision to shoot with high-definition digital cameras instead of the traditional 35mm film.

"We're kind of at an evolutionary step right now in the whole digital world of making films. The thing that's interesting for us is how do we acquire images digitally, because most of our film is digital. For us it's a very important thing because we may have 2,200 to 2,300 shots in the film and they're all digital in one way or another."

McCallum says digital technology makes it an exciting time to be making movies. "Especially if you're young, especially if you're just starting out. You don't have to be a member of the club any more. You can have the total freedom to make your own movie as long as you have a story that's good enough to tell."

The film-makers hope to release Episode II in a number of cinemas with digital projection, presumably delivering it by satellite or disc rather than in the traditional can of film. "The more [digital cinemas] the better. That has to do solely with the audience. Nothing's more painful than spending millions and millions of dollars and a year of your life trying to create a print that is the most perfect print both visually and sound-wise and then have it go to some theatre where it's running practically in the dark and three speakers are out."<<

I'm not exactly sure how Digital Projection will have any effect on getting speakers to all work 100% of the time, but I would say if he thinks three are out with normal projection, then you could easily triple that number with digital 'cos there won't be a projectionist around to give a stuff about minor things like that...but hey, at least they'll be rid of having to fork out that extra wage every week.

For the full interview and story, go to http://www.smh.com.au/news/0005/13/review/review5.html

I love how it's going to be delivered by satellite only two years from now, but never let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?

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Bruce McGee
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What I like about digital is that you can sneeze near the computer and the whole digital program can go phfft.

3 blown speakers and low brightness? I bet that when (and if) digital is around for awhile, we will see plenty of unserviced and maintained digital systems. A cheap theater owner is still cheap. The customer will still be the loser.

Long live 35!

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Oscar Neundorfer
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"McCallum says digital technology makes it an exciting time to be making movies. "Especially if you're young, especially if you're just starting out. You don't have to be a member of the club any more. You can have the total freedom to make your own movie as long as you have a story that's good enough to tell."
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Looks to me like too many people already have the "total freedom" to make their own movies with stories that are NOT good enough to tell.

Digital projection does not solve problems. It just creates new ones no matter how good it may eventually get. If upper management is not willing to provide high quality presentations, it makes no difference what medium is used.

Assuming equally good technologies (which at the moment is not a valid assumption), it is NOT the technology, it is the people that run it that makes the difference.

Whether is 70mm, 35mm, or digital cinema, if you are not willing to maintain your facilities in the very best condtition, you will suffer the same problems that so many theatres suffer now.

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John Walsh
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 - posted 05-13-2000 08:15 AM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course, Lucas is not saying anything about how he squeezed the theaters so hard for money last time, they don't have anything left to fix screens or speakers.

I really liked Lucas when he started THX. It was the first time the "studios" took an interest in the theaters since the breakup in the 1950's.

And it's fine if he wants to try out digital; anyone would have to admit that it's a cool thing. But don't rape the theaters, then bad mouth them.

Here's some Latin for you, George: "penis maximus."

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Dwayne Caldwell
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If what Rick says is true and digital filming (nice contradiction in terms) will open up several possiblities for the independent filmmaker, I'd hold nothing against that. Nothing's more discouraging than finding out how much it cost to fund a project in raw film stock alone when you're just starting out. A 400ft. roll of color 16mm (about 11 min. I think) costs well over a hundred dollars. And even if you're experienced and you plan on a 1:1 shooting ratio (which would be highly unlikely to pull off) the cost could still add up. And you still have to pay for processing. Digital filming would be a great stress alleviation to the amateur filmmaker in the fact that he or she doesn't have to worry about trying to get it right the first time. Sure, most amateur filmmakers suck coming up to bat, but you never know when some filmmaker might have a good story to deliver. And Rick's right about the fact that you pretty much do have to be a member of the club to get anywhere in this business. We all know that. Nothing's more discouraging than having to turn away from making a project because you just don't have the financial resources. Of course this digital filming capability could open doors for a variety of crappy films (videos?) sure, but if it can get a good filmmakers foot in the door and give him or her the ability to shoot their next project on film, then, in that respect, I'm not opposed to digital filmmaking what so ever. Of course, Rick fails to tell us just how much it would cost to rent out digital equipment, so this may all be a moot point anyway.

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Tim Reed
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Well said, Dwayne.

The newspaper reported: >>You can have the total freedom to make your own movie as long as you have a story that's good enough to tell."<<

This means everything.


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Dwayne Caldwell
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I guess they'd better not try any experimental filmmaking that too avant-garde then. I actually had an idea to make a short film about a painter and then render the entire film's image in Cubism. Then I realized that it probably wouldn't set a precedent for anything cinema. Oh well. Guess that leaves me out of the digital filmmaking running.


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Jason R. Weinsteiger
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 - posted 05-13-2000 11:31 AM      Profile for Jason R. Weinsteiger   Author's Homepage   Email Jason R. Weinsteiger   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
john sayeth:

"And it's fine if he wants to try out digital; anyone would have to admit that it's a cool thing. But don't rape the theaters, then bad mouth them.

Here's some Latin for you, George: "penis maximus."

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what's so funny about that? i have a fwiend in Wome named Penis Maximius!

jasoN

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David Kilderry
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 - posted 05-15-2000 05:14 AM      Profile for David Kilderry   Author's Homepage   Email David Kilderry   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
In another recent article here in Australia on Episode Two, it is admitted that not all of the second film will be shot digitally. This is a pull back from the first announcements of all digital. 35mm will be used in conjunction with the new Panavision digital cameras.

Did you all notice how Episode One was never really sharp and you were always thinking you could do better? It was because almost every scene in the film had a digital effect. Whenever an effect such as this is added - pulled off film, digitally enhanced etc and put back ontp film - resolution is lost.

If you shoot Kodak EXR 50 D in scope with Panavision and see a master print - not a 3rd generation release print, the resolution (sharpness) of the image is unbelievable. How can we get this quality on film all the time? Large format?

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Ken Layton
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Lucas won't be filming it----he'll be RECORDING it!
With all the restrictions he put on exhibitors on the last movie, he would be hard pressed to find anyone that would show it. He'll have to go out and buy theaters so he would have a place to show it!

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Greg Anderson
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Just a few days ago, I saw a film in downtown Salt Lake City which was shot one a year ago in 5-perf, 65mm and it's being presented in 70mm exclusively at a that one theatre. It's a religiously-oriented film... not the kind I'd review on a Film-tech Forum.

My point? It looks great. Even the matte work lived up to the 70mm challenge (I don't know if they were digital mattes or "traditional." I just assume they had to be mattes because there's no way these guys built real, Mayan-style pyramids in Hawaii just for this movie.) I wish George Lucas could take a ski trip to Salt Lake City and drop in to see that movie for 70 minutes. While it doesn't look as good as Lawrence of Arabia it far exceeds anything I've seen which originated on 35mm... and I can only imagine how it compares to Digital. My faith in film has been re-affirmed (and that's not even the kind of faith this film was trying to influence!). But doesn't it just kill you that the best looking 65mm film was made in 1962? We haven't been able to top that in nearly 40 years! Pathetic!

I imagine those digital cameras they're using for "Episode Two" are a lot more fragile than good, old, proven film cameras. And I don't imagine they'll be risking any underwater shots with their precious, digital cameras. My point? There's some kind of film camera rig available to handle any filming situation you can imagine. I don't know about digital. Is that the reason he'll be doing some 35mm work?

But, David... it's not fair to talk about master prints since nobody gets to see them at the local cinema. It's been said that the computers used to manipulate film images can spit that footage back onto film with no loss of quality. If that's true, then imagine a movie which shot on film and then edited entirely on computers (whether or not there's any CGI work). You could have the equivalent of a first-generation negative which is completely edited and make all your release prints from there. And you could make as many "original negatives" as you want. That would be a worthy use of this digital technology, I would think.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Dwayne,
Film stock is a very minute cost of a full scale production....weather its 16mm or 65mm. All big time lead actors make many times the cost of film stock.
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Dwayne Caldwell
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I understand film stock costs are only part of the equation, Mark. You also have to look at rental fees for film equipment, lighting packages, editing time, and the list goes on and on. But no first time amateur is going to use a big name actor or an actor who wants payment for services rendered when there are an overwhelming number of no name actors who will do it for free. Robert Rodriguez spent $7,000 for El Mariachi and skimmed the costs of a full scale 16mm project by borrowing an Arriflex 16mm camera, editing at his school UT in Austin, and borrowing props like guns, that fancy bathtub, and such. I'm sure he had to pay for the squibs and the blanks, but not the actors. So a bulk of that $7,000, his budget, went to film stock and processing. And if Rodriguez hadn't sold himself as a university lab rat (undergoing test trials with new pharmaceutial drugs for a few months for $5,000), he wouldn't be directing Hollywood projects today. It'd've been a lot easier and cheaper for him of he was able of borrow a digital camera. Plus he wouldn't have those small football shaped scars on the crooks of his arms.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Dwayne,
Yea, but I wonder what one of those digital cameras cost. ne of them most likely costs alot more than rental of several Panavisions for the duration of say a 12 week shoot which is the average shooting schedule on a film these days. Then you still have the lighting and crew costs. That is bound not to change much due to union requirements. Then there is the obsolescence factor thats built in to the digital cameras. That is one thing that Panavision does not have to worry about! And you can bet your bippy that those digital cameras will not be used for the third installment as there will be something far better and those will have to be bought for episode 3. So we can see here that there is an expense either for digital cameras or camera rental,film stock, processing, etc that does not go away. Both formats are edited on computer anyway so that is not a factor in either case.
As far as low budget goes, thats life, and alot of people do struggle to do a low budget film. Man, I struggle just to shoot some film in my VistaVision camera once in a while! One thing I can guarantee you is that one that does go through a struggle is more likely to become smarter and more sucessful at what he does be it film making or what ever.
Mark

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John Pytlak
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Almost all of "Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace" was shot on film, but most of the film footage was then scanned and digitized. So almost everything that ended up on the screen (both film prints and digital projection) had gone through a digital "filter".

Page 28 of the September 1999 issue of "American Cinematographer" specifically identifies the nightime scenes of Qui-Gon Jinn (Liam Neeson) discussing the power of the Force with young Anakin Skywalker (Jake Lloyd) as being shot with the prototype 24fps 1920 X 1080 Sony HD Video camera. (This was the scene where the blood sample is being taken from Anakin the prior to the Podrace).

The article notes "The revised concept is to photograph the next Star Wars installment spherically in a 1.78:1 (16:9) aspect ratio while composing for 2.35:1, and then digitally resample the image, cropping enough vertical information to achieve a 2.35:1 ratio with a final resolution of 1920 X 800".

For comparison, most experts agree that a 35mm anamorphic negative frame (0.825 X 0.690 inch image area) has a resolution of at least 4096 X 3426, and much greater dynamic range and "bit depth".

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