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Joop de Gruiter
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From: Lund, Sweden
Registered: Jul 99


 - posted 04-25-2000 05:51 AM      Profile for Joop de Gruiter   Email Joop de Gruiter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
How do I get the non-sync signal from cd or tape to go only to the surround speakers.

We have a CP55 with a SRA5 SR processor.

Greatfull for any help.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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 - posted 04-25-2000 07:44 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
At least on the CP-50, you can just wire the CD/tape machine to the surround ("S") input on the back of the processor, rather than to the center or L and R channels.

The only potential problem with this is that you have to remember to switch the booth monitor to "center" when starting the film...otherwise, you'll probably have a panic attack ("why am I hearing all this music and no dialogue?!?!") when the film starts...

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 04-25-2000 09:11 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Hook the signal into the surround input of the aux input and switch the automation wiring to pulse aux instead of non-sync.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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 - posted 04-25-2000 05:23 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Or better yet, hook it up to the "MAG" input's "S" input. Leave AUX for possible Digital expansion. With the Mag input, you have the choice of either 1V or 100mV sensitivity. If need be, the input sensitivity header can be modified to achieve other sensitivities.

Steve

PS, you are truely lazy and are using a balanced source, invert phase on either line feeding the Non-Sync input and stuff diodes on the INL and INR on the Cat.243...I don't recommend this but it should work.

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Joop de Gruiter
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 - posted 04-27-2000 02:28 PM      Profile for Joop de Gruiter   Email Joop de Gruiter   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If I would connect the signal to the Aux input won´t that result in that you can hear both the CD player and the movie (when SR is selected)at the same time? Considering that you press aux to select the SR format.

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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From: Annapolis, MD
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 - posted 04-27-2000 03:39 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wow, you still have the SRA-5 hooked up the "old" way...ie use the Aux input for SR and the SRA-5 inputs for non-sync....at some point, you should fix that...grab yourself a DA-10 or DA-20 manual and reference how to hook up the SRA-5 so that you free up the AUX input and take the otherwise worthless "03" format for SR.

But be that as it may, using the "MAG" inputs will do what you want, as I suggested before since most people do not run 35 magnetic much anymore.

Steve

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 04-28-2000 07:56 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One note to using the Mag inputs on the CP-55...it does have a quasi-Academy filter on the mag input (1st order filter at 4.5KHz) that is defeatable. I forgot that this was the default setting; my thanks to Brad Hohle for reminding me.

The surround capacitors of interest are C116 (15pF) and C115 (390pF). They are connected in series but the 15pF cap is jumped out. Unfortunately, Dolby made the jumper a PCB trace rather than a wire link. To disable the filter either remove C115 or (preferrably to keep a 100KHz filter in place), cut the foil located just to the right of C115 (in fact it is located on the "solder" side of the PCB where the letter "C" is for C115). The foil links to solder pads that do nothing otherwise (ie where the wire link should have been).

Steve

PS, for CP-65 users, though the Cat 242 is used on the CP-65, the capacitor values have been changed to avoid this problem. The filter really was for 35mm 4-track magnetic.

Steve

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