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Randy Stankey
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From: Erie, Pennsylvania
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 - posted 04-04-2000 09:45 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We are showing Topsy-Turvy at Mercyhurst this week...

It's a long movie and we have the "smaller" Potts-Alpha platter system. I'm not sure I'll be able to build it up without putting an intermission in. We played Ghandi and were BARELY able to get it all on one platter.

Two questions:

1) Do you think I can get it all on one platter?

2) If not, does anybody know what's the best place in the movie to put the "break".

What I plan to do is put a few feet of black leader and then an "Intermission" strip. At the head of the second "act" I have an "On with the Show" strip. (You know, those things from Filmack)

I've never seen the movie so I don't know if there is a good "breaking point" in the story. What reel do you all suggest I make the break after?

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Colin Wiseley
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From: Blacksburg, VA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 04-04-2000 10:52 AM      Profile for Colin Wiseley   Email Colin Wiseley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
We're showing Topsy Turvy right now and had no problem fitting it on the platter. It's 160 minutes long, will that fit on your platter? I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, but I'll try to tonight and see if there is a logical break point between the reels.

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Colin Wiseley
Lyric Theatre
Blacksburg, VA www.thelyric.com

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 04-04-2000 11:57 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Well, the whole print did fit on one platter. Even though the print is ten reels, it turns out the last 4 or 5 are "halfsies".

The last time we had a print ten reels long, Ghandi, it went all the way to the very edge of the platter. I had to stop the proj. just after the credits started because the last few turns would collapse and fall off the platter. Had there been time I would have made an intermission in that movie.

Anyway... Thanks, Colin!

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John Walsh
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 - posted 04-04-2000 12:27 PM      Profile for John Walsh   Email John Walsh   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Years ago, I ran "Tess" on a small diameter platter. It came right to the edge. So I measured, cut and spliced a loop of scrap film to just fit around the outside of the feature to hold it. Then I taped that loop in a few places to keep it from sliding off.

I didn't have any trouble with the film at the end- my problem was that "Tess" had/has an intermission it, and the remaining film would slide around on the deck right when I started it up again.

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John Pytlak
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If the print is so long that it is right out to the edge of the platter, I suggest making a "retaining ring" out of a metal or flexible plastic band, and fastening it to the outer circumference of the platter after the roll has been built. Maybe something as simple as a 3-inch (75mm) flexible plastic moulding, tightened around the platter with a turnbuckle.

I've also suggested a "hoola hoop" like retaining ring be put around the print after it is made up / taken up onto the platter, to prevent the film from getting out of round, sliding off center, or even being thrown off the platter ("platter fling"). A solid ring would be much more effective than a "tail tuck" or suction cup / Stickapoo platter clips in keeping the print in place.

I wrote an article called "Platter Patter" last September:
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/september99/pointers.shtml

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Chris Erwin
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We used garden/lawn edging material to build a "wall" around the print. Titanic,Fight Club,and Green Mile to name a few,used this horrid looking,yet highly effective (and cheap ) way of making sure those last reels don't spin to their doom on the booth floor.

--Chris

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Stephen Winner
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how exactly do you do an Intermission on a platter system?

We just simply change over to the other projector, which has an intermission trailer in it, and a clock running. After it is over, we have the projector loaded with the next reel. Sometimes we will just put a slide up with an "intermission" picture.

I take it you just finish the reel, bring up the lights, then thread up the next platter with nothing on the screen.

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Randy Stankey
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Well, I would just decide where to 'pause' the movie, hopefully after pre-screening or getting other people's advice. (The reason why this thread got started ) Then I would splice on a few seconds worth of black mylar and then the intermission strip. I would just treat it as if it were two seperate movies that just happen to start only five minutes apart.

I would just rethread and after an appropriate amount of time just start the second half. I have a title strip that says, "On with the show...", that I might insert too.

At Tinseltown the automation has an intermission feature. You can put on an extra cue and the projector will stop and the lights will come up.

Since the platters at T.T. hold 4-1/2 hours this is rarely necessary unless you WANT an intermission. In that case you could insert your intermission strip(s) and place a cue. When the piss break is over just hit the start button. (Actually, it's a go-out-and-buy-more-popcorn break! )

When we had Gone With the Wind at T.T. (222 minutes, with built-in intermission) we built it up as two movies. We decided to do it that way to make it easier to move and break down, etc.

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John Pytlak
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Chris Erwin:

Using the flexible plastic garden edging to make the retaining ring is a great idea! How did you tighten it around the platter, or did you fasten it to the platter in some way?

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Chris Erwin
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John,

We would wrap the edging around the print,and secure it with a piece of packing or duct tape on the outside. Then to hold it in place,we used large nuts around the edging with tape holding them in place. It worked great. My manager came up with "the wall" after Titanic got thrown on the last reel with a sold-out house. (single screen,500+) It was the last show and it was just him there. After re-admitts for everyone,this idea was put unto play. We had never had any problems til then,but then again,this was the biggest print we had. (We are running AW-2's with the standard decks)

--Chris

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