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Richard Quesnelle
Film Handler

Posts: 67
From: Penetang, Ontario, Canada
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 03-28-2000 11:15 PM      Profile for Richard Quesnelle   Email Richard Quesnelle   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi film handlers.

I was just wondering if there is a certain routine that many use in cleaning the projector equipment before, after, and weekly showings.

At the cinema that I work at, we clean the sprocket and the inside with an old toothbrush and wipe down the inside to pick up any oil and dirt. We also wipe the lenses with a lens tissue fairly often.

That's about all we do (or should I say was tought). If anyone has any tips or routines to follow, I would gladly appreciate the help.

Thanks
Reg

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Scott Magie
Film Handler

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From: St. Albans, VT USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 03-29-2000 04:18 AM      Profile for Scott Magie   Email Scott Magie   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dip that toothbrush in some isopropyl alcohol and replace your toothbrushes fairly often. Gotta hate it when you get a bristle in the gate!
Anyone have a favorite "de-greaser"? We just use some generic industrial brand.
Also, I've heard that you're supposed to keep both alcohol and de-greaser away from the sound drum / solar-cell. The rumor is that it can dry out and crack the plastic elements. Anyone know if this is an old projectionist's wives tale or not?

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99


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Red shop rag for everything except the sprockets and shoe. Toothbrush on the sprockets and shoe if needed (don't run the motor while doing this).

Best degreaser on the market is "LPS Instant Super Cleaner/Degreaser". Fantastic stuff! Keep it away from those sound drum bearings. Always spray it onto a cloth/rag and THEN wipe the area.

Be careful about overcleaning lenses.

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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 - posted 03-29-2000 07:21 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Shop rag is good. I've also used Q-tips, which can be useful on 16mm equipment, though the foam-tip ones are definitely preferred over the cotton ones.

Rubbing alcohol works, although 98% alcohol is better. Keep the alcohol away from film (duh). Clean all the usual stuff--gate and trap are most important, but fire rollers/platter rollers are also important. Generally, I didn't touch the sound optics, since they shouldn't get dirty unless the projector is over-oiled or something. If I'd had the soundhead alignment test films, then I would have been more aggressive with the soundheads. Be careful around plastic parts.

Toothbrushes are good for sprockets, shoes, pad rollers, etc.

Don't clean lenses unless they're obviously dirty. Just keep them in a lens cabinet or, at least, with caps on when they're not in use and they should be fine as long as the projector isn't horribly over-oiled.

I usually just used VMAP naptha from the local hardware store as my preferred degreaser since it is readily available and cheap. I'm sure that there's better stuff out there, though.

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Bill Purdy
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From: Seattle, WA
Registered: Oct 1999


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As mentioned, sound optics do not need cleaning very often, but there is always a bit of oil film floating around inside a projector, to say nothing of the pop corn oil wafting through the HVAC system. My suggestion for our sound reader optics is to use Kodak's lens cleaner, a cotton swab, and lens tissue. Put a little bit of the cleaner on the swab, wrap the swab with a layer or two of the lens tissue and gently go over the lens. Follow with a dry tissue over the other end of the swab. It also does not hurt to give the LEDs a swipe as well. We deliberately shorten the lens hoods on our lenses to make it easier to do.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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Keep degreaser away from ANY bearings. Use a hard-bristle, clean toothbrush to clean deposits off rollers, sprockets, gate rails, etc. Use non-metallic pick (e.g, plastic guitar pick, hardwood or plastic manicure tool) to dislodge any hardened gelatin buildup on gate. Metal or abrasive tools may nick or damage polished surfaces. Never clean the projector while the motor is running --- a rag or toothbrush caught by a turning sprocket spells disaster, not to mention the personal safety issue.

Loose dust on lenses is best brushed away with a clean, soft camels hair lens brush. Compressed air may force dirt into the lens. Never rub the optical surfaces with a dry cloth or tissue, and use liquid lens cleaner and lens cleaning tissue only when there is dirt that cannot be brushed away (e.g., a fingerprint or oil spot). When using liquid lens cleaner, just slightly dampen the lens tissue, and be careful not to get liquid into the lens.

Don't forget to clean both sides of the port glass. Use the same care as in cleaning a lens, so as not to scratch the surface. Anti-reflection coated, optical quality glass is highly recommended to increase light output and reduce flare.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
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Gordon McLeod
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I use a soft brass bristle machinist brush for cleaning sprockets and the red shop rag
Also once a week we spray the operating sides down with mineral spirits in a light mist and wipe the finish clean and then lightly oil all parts

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Martin Frandsen
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From: Denmark, Europe
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I never clean my lenses, if it's only dust sitting there i leave it, heck you can't see any differents anyway, you just scracth that surface a littel bit each time you rub on it.

Of cause the cinemeccanica's never leaks any oil anyway, so no need to worry about oil on the lenses

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Randy Stankey
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What about cleaning the port glass? I have tried everything I know and it still comes out looking CRUMMY! This has been a thorn in my side for years!

One of the managers used to get on my case about it all the time. We got in an argument over it one morning and I said, "Here! You show me how to clean it!". She did and it looked great but once you turn the projector on and the light hit it you'd think a dog had been licking the glass! She stopped harassing me about it but that still doesn't get the glass clean.

I've tried all sorts of store-bought cleaners, 100% alcohol, industrial cleaners -- Nothing seems to work. The best thing I can do is use regular old Windex.
I spray sparingly (2-3 squirts) and wipe with a clean paper towel until almost dry. Then I take another clean towel and wipe again until it's completely dry.

I know the glass is just plain old plate glass but you should still be able to get it clean! Heck, at Mercyhurst, it's tempered glass and I have far better luck getting that clean!

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Dave Williams
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My philosophy in cleaning the port glass is very simple, less is more. I hate chemicals (due in part to the fact that they hate me more). We use DAWN dish detergent. Thats right kiddies, DAWN. We put a few drops into a bucket, put in warm water, get a cloth designed to be scratch resistant to glass, and then wipe it down, then dry it with a dry cloth of the same kind. Comes up clean every time, and wont attract dirt or dust for much longer than normal, usually about two to three weeks before you need to clean it again. Same for the lenses.

As for the projectors themselves, we just hose em down once a year. Ok thats not true, but we do wipe em down as often as possible. They are simplex xl's, and with film-guard, they just don't every get that dirty.

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Mark Ogden
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From: Little Falls, N.J.
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Dave: you might want to mix a batch of our home brew degreaser: In a 16oz sprayer, 3 parts 99% alcohol, 1 part water, 2 drops Dawn or Joy (from the short bottles), one good squeeze lemon juice out of the plastic lemon thing. Cheap and cheerful, and gets the job done u bet.

By the way, those "Swiffer" mops that are in stores now pick up an amazing amount of dust from around projector bases, try one, your jaw will hit the floor when you see what the broom leaves behind. Not that anyone lets their leader hit the floor mind you. . .

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Nick Perry
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I have the all projector rollers, sprockets, gate, sound head cleaned after each show using a rag, toothbrush & paintbrush. To clean gate and sounddrum I use heavily diluted windex. It's about 1 part windex:6 parts water. This gets the gate spotless.
ALL rollers on the platter system and payout module are also dusted after each show.
Optics are cleaned with pure alhohol and cottin buds once a week.
Lenses are cleaned once a month.
Port glasses are done once a week.
Once a week as part of a strict maintenance roster, all rollers, projector housing, platter posts and arms, base of projector, audio rack, plates, and portholes are given a good clean using a rag, spray and wipe, and metho(on all projector and platter parts).

There's alot more but it's very location orientated. I suggest you have a go at devising your own daily maintenance roster that staff sign off on when completed.



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John Pytlak
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Randy: Plain plate or window glass often has optical imperfections that look like uncleanable scum in the intense light of the projected beam. With age, this scum tends to get worse. I've also seen plain glass with minute "bubbles" inside. All of these factors tend to scatter light, causing optical flare and loss of contrast on the screen. Unless the glass has anti-reflection coatings, you may lose more than 10 percent of your light (that nice bright picture on the back wall or ceiling of the projection room is stealing light from the audience).

Port glass should aways be installed at an angle to the projected light beam, so as not to reflect light back into the lens.

Check out my article on "Conquering Contrast Killers": http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/newsletters/reel/december99/pytlak.shtml

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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John Walsh
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A place I worked at had an air compressor to blow-clean the projectors. It was a good idea, but I would always cap the lenses. I found that if they weren't capped, the light film of oil that just about every projector has would get sprayed onto the lens.

Just last month, we had a guy try to whipe clean the upper sprocket of a JJ while it was running; stripped a fiber gear in the back. Same thing happened with it's twin about 10 years ago with a tooothbrush; bent sprocket shaft.

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Dave Williams
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I wonder if milk would be good to clean out the projectors? Would make snacking easier during long movies.

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