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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene

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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000


 - posted 03-24-2000 04:16 PM      Profile for Dave Williams   Author's Homepage   Email Dave Williams   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With all the big multiplexes going up and shutting little guys like me down, It brings me such great joy to announce our own megamultigigaplex going up this year (WITH IMAX YIPPEE SKIPEEE). The advantage is that we own the 26 acres surrounding it so there is NO WAY that we can get built out by competition like we did in Aurora.

Yeah and Im santa claus.....

Actually I myself am about to embark into a new company that produces live and film entertainment but I swear I will never ever never ever stop playing with film-guard no matter what!

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"If it's not worth doing, I have allready been there and done it"

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Gordon McLeod
Film God

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Dave Williams
but I swear I
will never ever never ever stop playing with film-guard no matter what!
Just don't use it on the IMAX

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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Don't use it on IMAX because IMAX uses Photoguard. And we all know how much that sucks!

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Carl King
Expert Film Handler

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From: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada
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 - posted 03-25-2000 07:47 AM      Profile for Carl King   Email Carl King   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
What is FilmGuard? I use a product from Marble Co. that is called Xecote Film Lubricant. Is FilmGuard similar?

Carl King

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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 - posted 03-25-2000 01:42 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
It's totally different. Click on the FilmGuard link at the bottom of your screen.

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Andy Davis
Film Handler

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From: Gainesville, FL
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 03-25-2000 11:38 PM      Profile for Andy Davis   Author's Homepage   Email Andy Davis   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Isn't Xekote produced by Neumade?

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Brad Miller
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 - posted 03-26-2000 12:14 AM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, Neumade makes XeKote. I think they also make Renovex. We (Film-Tech) make FilmGuard.

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Gordon McLeod
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 - posted 03-26-2000 08:49 AM      Profile for Gordon McLeod   Email Gordon McLeod   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Actually Imax only uses photguard if the theatre buying the print requests it
The reason you cannot use any lubricant/non evaporating cleaning is the film is in contact with what is in effect the back ellement of the lens (called the field flatner) Any oils or liquid will smear it and then your focus goes to hell
also it has a proprietary coating that even certain lens cleaners will attack

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Aaron Mehocic
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From: New Castle, PA, USA
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 03-27-2000 07:31 PM      Profile for Aaron Mehocic   Email Aaron Mehocic   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Andy,
According to our booth supplier, Xekote is no longer manufactured. Apparently one of the active ingredietes in Xekote causes cancer and that was enough to ban it. Can anyone confirm that Xekote is no longer made?
Aaron

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Brad Miller
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I'm 99% sure that is correct, but of course there's TONS of bottles "on the shelf".

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Joe Redifer
You need a beating today

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 - posted 03-27-2000 11:51 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was at a Century 16-plex tonight, and they had some stuff made by the same company called Xetron2 or something like that. Maybe it is a new mix.

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Andy Davis
Film Handler

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One of the projectionists at my theatre is an Environmental Policy major. He told me that XeKote contains a CFC, great as a solvent but also great at making holes in the ozone layer. I wouldn't be surprised if production has ceased. However, NCS is now carrying a product called Xekote II. I'm guessing this is the environmentally friendly version of XeKote.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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The dang stuff always evaporated half way before you ever got the bottle opened the forst time anyway. The new Renovex is called Renovex2. Don't know how good it is. anyone ever use it? We still have 2 cans of the origonal Renovex in stock if anyone is interested in it.
Mark

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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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Many of the proprietary film cleaners and lubricants contained methyl chloroform (1,1,1-trichloroethane) or perhaps Freon as the solvent. These solvents were very effective in cleaning film, dried quickly, were non-flammable, and were relatively safe to use with proper ventilation. Wax or lubricant could easily be dissolved in these solvents for use in lubricating the film.

Unfortunately, the use of these chlorinated solvents may harm the ozone layer that protects the earth from ultraviolet radiation. By international agreement ("The Montreal Protocol"), the manufacture of these solvents was discontinued about 5 years ago. However, at the time, existing supplies of the solvent could be continue to be used, although no more would be manufactured. They could also be recycled by distillation. Some film cleaner manufacturers "stocked up" on the solvent before manufacture was discontinued, or are using recycled solvent. But as supplies are depleted, the price has gone up considerably, forcing manufacturers like XeKote and Renovex to reformulate their cleaners.

Several alternative solvents are available, but they each have disadvantages to consider. Pure isopropyl alcohol (NOT rubbing alcohol which has water in it) can be used as a film cleaner. It has fairly good cleaning ability and reasonably fast evaporation rate, but is flammable. Tetrachloroethylene or "perc", a solvent widely used for dry-cleaning clothes, can be used, but evaporates slowly, and has significant health risks. Toluene likewise has health risks and is flammable. Hydrofluorocarbons have a very fast evaporation rate, and are quite expensive.

To know what solvents are in your film cleaner, and what safety precautions are needed to properly use it, consult the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) supplied by the manufacturer.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Bryan Redemske
Film Handler

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Renovex makes my brain hurt.

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