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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

Posts: 87
From: Ohio
Registered: Nov 1999


 - posted 02-27-2000 01:06 AM      Profile for Derek Maxwell   Author's Homepage   Email Derek Maxwell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
For those who have not seen my web site, please visit it. I have had a love of those old Drive-in intermission films for a long time and am always looking for stuff on 35mm that I don't have to buy,borrow, or trade to make new 16mm Negatives and preserve the quickly deteriorating original film elements. I have saved many that were warping and vinegar. If you guys can help me locate some stuff, please let me know. Thanks and keep those reels turning. www.Drive-infilm.com

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Stefan Scholz
Expert Film Handler

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From: Schoenberg, Germany
Registered: Sep 1999


 - posted 02-27-2000 12:51 PM      Profile for Stefan Scholz   Author's Homepage   Email Stefan Scholz   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Why not print on 35mm, as this would give me chance to enjoy those films. I do no longer have a working narrow gauge setup... or it would mean to use another projector within the show.

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Scott Norwood
Film God

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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99


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You can still buy brand-new 35mm prints of some of the classic drive-in intermission reels from various places. Filmack in Chicago sells them (they're photoguarded by default; if you don't want this, be sure to request a "non-photoguarded" print). Cinema Concepts in Atlanta also sells drive-in intermission reels and stuff like the "Snack Canyon" Coke trailer (a personal favorite of mine). These aren't generally available in 16mm from the original distributors, so Derek is having reductions made for home use.

Of course, it would be nice to have a source for lab-new 35mm prints of stuff like the "talking Bic lighters" tags from the late '70s/early '80s...I have a bunch of these on 16mm only (I guess they were distributed to the non-theatrical market, too...), but only a few in 35mm.

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Martin Frandsen
Master Film Handler

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From: Denmark, Europe
Registered: Jun 99


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I love the 'Jumping hot-dog' intermission film. Who made the films, they all look like they are made by the same company. Do you still show them at your drive-in's in the US or do they belong to the 1950-1960's, gee.. all those memorys

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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

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From: Ohio
Registered: Nov 1999


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Unfortunatly lab costs are out of this world and you pay by the foot. If new prints were made in 35mm, I would have to charge $1000. or more for a 10 minute clock which I know would not sell and I would be out alot of money since I know of nobody who would pay that kind of money for a print. Since 16mm is still the best and cheapest form, they will only be available in 16mm from me. As Scott said, some are still available in 35mm from a few places but many companies who made them no longer exists and the negatives are gone also. Filmmac has some from the good old days but expect to pay over $600. for a 10 minute clock. 35mm for this kind of film is too expensive now. I would love to make new prints of some of the old stuff I found which came from some long gone companies but I would have to be a millionaire and nuts to do it since nobody would pay what it costs to redo them now. I hope this answers some questions. Thanks for your posts and interest.

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Gordon McLeod
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From: Toronto Ontario Canada
Registered: Jun 99


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In toronto the lab cost for printing are around 45 cents a foot.
check out deluxe and PFA toronto

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Derek Maxwell
Film Handler

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From: Ohio
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You are no doubt talking about positive costs. I get a better deal in NYC on positive per foot rates but In order to make new positives from positives, you must first make a new negative from the positive which costs about $1.75 a foot. Then you need to make a new negative soundtrack which is another $400 to $500 for a 10 minute clock,Then you can now make new positive prints. The positive costs are not what costs so much but the negative costs are outrageous. It would be great if these negatives still existed and could just be run , unfortunatly when those companies went out they destroyed the negatives also. If you find old negatives of this stuff, let me know and I would be happy to run new prints but I doubt if you'll ever come across any of them.

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Chris Erwin
Expert Film Handler

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From: Olive Hill,KY
Registered: Oct 1999


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Filmack made most of those,Pike Productions made alot too. I beleive both are still around. Someone said the dancing hot dog wasn't in the new print of that particular clock. Yep,the new prints are pricey,but just look at those faces light up when one of those clocks hit the screen at the local D.I. !

--Chris

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Sean Weitzel
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall)
Registered: Dec 1999


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A lot of the intermission fims and tags were made by a company in San Francisco called Motion Picture Services. They had a production house on Golden Gate and Van-Ness. When MPS shut down years ago, my cousin somehow managed to get in contact with the last owner 6 years after the fact. Seems he wanted to try and clear out as much of the dusty equipment as he could before the building was sold. Because my cousin ended up in the right place at the right time, We were both able to obtain quite a few artifacts left over from MPS's archives. My e-7 projectors, lenses, a Westrex RA 1231a optical sound recorder, a host of other hardware, several lab mint 35mm B features under the staircase. but by far the most interesting artifacts came from the vault in the basement. Two 2000' 35mm 'demo reels' of the most popular snipes and intermission films that MPS had created over the years, including the famous Syufy Century Theaters 'searchlight' policy trailer (the one with the funky fanfare music that *EVERYONE* used to clap to. I was even fortunate enough to score two each scope and flat lab mint searchlight trailers. That was an interesting day. Loading the entire contents of a projection booth that had been in place since the early 1940's into a pickup truck and a chrysler minivan. While my friends and I were loading the bulky hardware into the vehicles, I lost track as to what my cousin was busy collecting. I found out later that evening that he had found, stuffed deep into a corner of the vault, the original 35mm camera animation negs and soundtrack masters for a lot of these snipes. Unfortunatly, he only took a few more popular ones, as well as a fair amount of the stock music LP's which were the source of a lot of the music in those trailers. One of these days, I should take my 4000' collection of these trailers and make a video of them. It seems that there is quite an interest in these old policy trailers. In retrospect, I wish I had known or had the time and extra van space for the entire collection of negs. I tried to contact the gentleman who owned the building and was with us that day. I think his name was Lino Kwang.. or something like that. Alas, i have never been able to find him. I wonder if those negs are still in the building. It looks the same now as it did then, (and this was 5 years ago). No one seems to be occupying it. Maybe someone near SF who knows what building this is can find out it's current status and these negatives and soundtrack masters, if they are still in the vaults, can be rescued. I wish I could have collected more, but I'll always know I was part of a fortunate find. and what I have is safe now.

-sean

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Joseph Pandolfi
Expert Film Handler

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From: Milford, CT.
Registered: Nov 1999


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If you ever visit the Cape Cod area come to the Wellfleet Drive In on the main road (U.S. 6). They still use the "dancing food" countdown clock during their intermission. Which part of that was used in the "Grease" drive-in scene. Also check out the booth there. They still have the original (I can't remember the name) carbon arc eqipment since the drive in was built in the 1950's. The only modification they have done was added a FM transmitter to their sound.

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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
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Here we go, this is MY SUBJECT...

Dancing Hot Dogs: The official name of this clock is "Variety Show". It was made by Filmack of Chicago, circa 1956. Yes, they will sell you a brand-new print.


Policy trailers, I don't know about, but drive-in intermission trailers, yes! This is a subject of intense nostalgia.

The grand daddy of all drive-in intermission film producers was the Alexander Film Company, of Colorado Springs, CO. They shipped something like 160,000 ft of film A DAY out of this place in the 50s. No one could match them. Like Filmack, they started back in the teens. The company changed hands several times after the death of the last Alexander brother in the late 50s, and their huge lot of soundstages, which rivaled that of any Hollywood studio, was shut down in the early 70s. What remains of the original company is only the name. It is a video production company in the Springs.


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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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Robbie Mack will be at the Film Mack Studios booth (#511) at the ShoWest trade show. I'll let him know about Film-Tech Forum, and the interest in his "classic" trailers.

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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Bill Carter
Expert Film Handler

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From: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Registered: Sep 1999


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Does anybody know the address or phone number for Pike Productions? I know they're still in business, and used to be in Rhode Island.
Thanks.

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John Pytlak
Film God

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Pike Productions
PO Box 300
Newport, RI 02840
Phone: 401-846-8890
Fax: 401-847-0070
Sales Manager: Patrick Mooney

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John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist
Worldwide Technical Services, Professional Motion Imaging
Eastman Kodak Company
Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7419
Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA
Tel: 716-477-5325 Fax: 716-722-7243
E-Mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com

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