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Lance C. McFetridge
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From: Penn Yan, New York
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An interesting article concerning the Regal chain and open captioning in Rochester, New York. http://www.msnbc.com/local/whec/46098.asp
How is this going to affect all of us in the business?

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Dave Williams
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Its a wasted lawsuit intended to cause problems and win money. There simply are not enough deaf people for every theater to have at least one screen devoted for open caption. Problem is that NO MOVIE is every made with any encoded captioning and the theater operator is responsible to put it together at thier cost. It simply is not feasible to do so. And besides there is not one single provision in the ADA for theaters to do so, why? Because it would take away the rights of others to enjoy a movie in the dark without having to read it.

Closed captioning on TV is great for that purpose, because it doesnt infringe on anyones rights at all.

I am sure the suit will get thrown out as there is no law they are violating, and the deaf people are not put out if there is no open caption, because they know there is no open caption and do not have to go there if they dont want to. Its thier choice.

In case you think i am hard on the deaf crowd, think again. I have family that is deaf and friends that are deaf, but they know how the world works and don't try to change it JUST FOR THEM. Hey i hate chick flicks, but you dont see me suing a theater because they showed one? Or perhaps we should sue theaters because they wont devote at least one auditorium to chick flicks only? Its just ludicrous.

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Wallace Logan
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Your right it is not very practical it can
be done they did it at my theatre as subtitles for a french film and ran the sound through a computer that translated it to english it was kind of neat but I could not see any chain company putting out that kind of money.

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Ed Johnson
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The best solution to captioning that I have ever seen was at the Metropolitan Opera house in New York. They came up with what they call "MET titles" which are little red LCD screens on the back of EVERY chair in the 5250 seat house. These screens can be turned on or off and allow audience members who don't understand german or italian operas to get the translation. The system is (as far as I know) unique and cost millions to install... Still a pretty nifty way of solving the problem without making everyone view distracting captions...

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Randy Stankey
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Does a DTS player have enough bandwidth left to put captions on the disc? (Using a receiver / display in the customer's seat)

DTS could also be a great way to do multi-lingual versions of the movie too! Just get two players and hook one of them up to the Assisted Listening Headsets. All you've got to do is drop in the discs for "Second Language".

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Andrew D'Vrey
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Hmmm...the Regal cinema near me did an open captioned version of Star Wars Ep. 1 along with a few other theaters. But these were captioned by Lucas Films. Anyone know how that Regal is open captioning their films? Is it projected onto the screen or a special order print like the Star Wars Ep. 1 Open Captioned Version?

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Joshua Lott
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I have done several open captioned prints(I work for Regal Cinemas) Normally we get them special order, run it for a day or two and then they are gone. Normally they come in special delivery and leave the same way. A big head ache for may be 5-20 people. But it is good for the community so I don't complain to much.

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John Pytlak
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The Tripod organization has been sponsoring the open captioning of films for years. Lots of information and a list of current films available with printed captions is on their website at:
http://www.tripod.org

WGBH (Public Television in Boston) has a Motion Picture Access Project. Their "Rear Window Captioning System" allows hearing disabled people to read captions displayed at the back wall of the theatre using a mirror system. This "closed caption" system can use DTS or other digital systems to carry the data, and does not interfere with the enjoyment of the film by the general audience. Lots of information is on their web site:
http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/captioncenter/mopix.html

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System Notices
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It has been 1842 days since the last post.


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Library to show movies for the deaf
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Library to show movies for the deaf
Friday, February 25, 2005
Kaye Spector
Plain Dealer Reporter

A library hopes to take over where for-profit theaters left off by screening closed-captioned, free movies for the deaf.

Starting March 6, the Coventry Village branch of the Cleveland Heights-University Heights Library will show closed-captioned, family-oriented movies for deaf patrons and anyone else.

The movies, which will also have sound, will be shown at 2 p.m. the first Sunday of each month. Admission is free, and moviegoers can bring food and covered non-alcoholic drinks. The first movie will be "Shrek 2."

The movies came about after CH-UH library officials met in October with about a half-dozen deaf residents to find out what sort of programming the deaf community wanted.

"The resounding response was we need closed-captioned movies," said Abigail Noland, the Coventry branch manager.

Based on that meeting, the CH-UH library spent $300 on a television, VCR/DVD player, projector and a closed-caption decoder box. A $250 annual fee went toward the rights to show the films.

Very few cities offer movies in public settings with closed captioning for those who are deaf, Noland said.

By law, all new televisions must now be equipped with closed-captioning technology, Noland said. But it's not the same as going to a theater and enjoying movies with others, she said.

In 2002, Cleveland Cinemas President Jon Forman tried screening first-run open-captioned films for the deaf at the chain's Tower City Cinemas. But the screenings ended after about two years because the movies didn't attract enough customers to offset the expense, he said.

"While we had attendance at every film, it was never great, and that was our frustration," Forman said. "Either we didn't reach out enough or the deaf population is not as large as we believed. I wish we could do it."

The library doesn't have to turn a profit from the screenings, Noland said. In addition to meeting the deaf community's need, library officials also hope that moviegoers will come to socialize.

"I'm hoping the community will love it and it will be a big hit," Noland said. "We're going to do it forever if people like it."


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William Hooper
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quote:
"The resounding response was we need closed-captioned movies," said Abigail Noland, the Coventry branch manager.

Based on that meeting, the CH-UH library spent $300 on a television, VCR/DVD player, projector and a closed-caption decoder box.

Crumbs, what kind of projector did they get with what was left of the $300 after the cost of the DVD player?

I really believe that most of these management/board decisions to just run cheap video projectors, say they're as good as "the movies", & then blame the community if nobody wants to see the cheap mess is really 100% ego aggrandizing done by the administrators who just want to say, "There, *I* solved the problem!"

Are they research-oriented enough to investigate WHY the Carmike down the street doesn't just run DVD's on a cheap video projector? No, they just think, "I know how to run movies, you buy a video projector! I am a problem-solver, put my paragraph in the paper!"

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Frank Angel
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And it's just iceing on the cake if the newpaper paragraph mentions that their $300 solution demonstrates their altruistism; they are helping the deaf. Or the blind. Or the hault. Or the lame. Such a humanist!

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Mark Hajducki
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Some of the local cinemas are adding subitles to films (using Dolby screentalk) for a limited number of performances They are the Filmhouse and the Odeon Lothian Road (subtitled showings at bottom of list). I don't know what the turnout for the subtitled showings are.

If the other thread about the UK switching to [dlp] is true then more cinemas will be ablt to add subtitles by using the menu on the DVD player.

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Frank Angel
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I always wondered why with all the space on 1.85 releases, they couldn't just put subtitles in the black under the picture and then if a theatre wanted to run open captioning, they could just use a longer FL lens and run it at 1.66, allowing the subtitles to project. This way they are not interfering with the image in any way.

Actually I don't know why they don't do all subtitling like that. But then again, I don't know why they don't put them at the TOP of the screen, just like they do supertitles at the opera. The top of the screen would make titles much easier to see than at the bottom where if you are not in a stadium seating theatre, your view of the bottom of the screen is more likely to be obscured.

But what about Scope, you say? I got nothin.

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Adam Fuller
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Hi, Mark - it's actually the DTS system we use at the Odeon Lothian Road. Not sure what the Filmhouse uses.

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