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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-24-1999 03:58 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK we all know that Technicolor sucks. But I have a question concerning some more suckitude that they have implemented into their "services" lately:

Has anybody noticed that nearly all films coming from Technicolor recently do not have all of the reels facing the same direction (ie heads or tails)? This pisses me off. I wish they would put all of the heads up reels into one batch of cans and all of the tails up reels into another batch. There is no need to mix and match. I assume that our idiot labs may have something to do with this as well. In my opinion, all film should come tails up. That way it would force the print to be "inspected" at the bench. There would be no way some crazy guy could build up straight from the cans to the platter. The general quality of splices would improve throughout the industry, because you could see them much better when you are making them. Also, it would greatly increase build-up speed for those of us who already build up at the bench, since we wouldn't have to rewind the "really big reel".

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Stephen Jones
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 - posted 09-24-1999 09:11 PM      Profile for Stephen Jones   Email Stephen Jones   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It happens here too as most prints come from the labs a couple of days before screening. Mostly they come on flats wraped in plastic wraps and then packed in carboard boxes,trunks are becoming rare or they send trunks and spls (empty) and when the season finishes we have break them down onto the exchange spls.Usually when they come from the labs the reels are end out but they also come with some end out and the rest head out,this as far as I am concerned isnt a problem as I for one never make-up a print straight from the lab or another location straight onto the platter.I always make it up onto 6000ft spools and check every foot of it.I always instruct any trainees I train to do the same.

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George Roher
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Building film at the bench is much better, if there's time. I was in a sticky situation last night where I had to build a show for a promotional screening straight onto the platter and barely had time to finish before the show. I used to build all my shows onto Goldberg modular platter reels, at a theatre I used to work for, and I think that is the ultimate system. Build the entire show at the bench onto one giant reel. Then lift it onto the platter, unlock the top, stick in the center feed and thread. No messing with a makeup table and no platter loading. This was also the fasted way I ever built shows. I might add that the Goldbergs are the best method for print moving too. I wish I still had them.

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 09-24-1999 10:32 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OK, OK, I really have to utilize this topic (appropriately named) to vent some frustration. While I agree with Joe's gripe about the reels, I must tell you about something that happened a few weeks ago that really pissed me off.

Our theatre was showing a sneak of Mystery Alaska, and I expected that the print would show up the day before the screening. Well, by 6pm the day it should have arrived, it still was not there. I promptly called Technicolor because I'd had a previous incident with them regarding a sneak when they had had no knowledge that we were booked for the print and I couldn't get one till about two hours before it was supposed to show. Afraid that this might happen again, I asked them what time they were going to deliver Mystery Alaska, and they told me midnight that night. I asked the operator why we weren't notified about such a strange delivery time. I mean, how did they know anyone would be at the theatre at that time to receive the print? Of course, she was clueless like all the operators I talk to there.

So, I stayed late that night to let the Sky Courier guy in and to build up the print ... which was a shoe polish, junk print!!! (Somebody please explain to me why people still use shoe polish to mark the heads and tails of prints. Talk about amateurish!)

Anyway, the day after the sneak they tried to come pick up the print again, which wasn't ready yet since it was a fairly busy week, not to mention the fact that nobody bothered to call and set up a pick up time! When we called Technicolor again, they tried to blame it on our booker for only booking it for one day. They didn't understand that it wasn't so much the times that the print was dropped off and picked up, it was the lack of communication that was ticking me off. Do they expect us to read their minds? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARG!!!

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Mike Blakesley
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 - posted 09-25-1999 01:01 AM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
My TES horror story of the month:

This week we are playing Bowfinger and Blair Witch Project. They both arrived yesterday, but I have a day job and can't inspect film until after 7:00 pm, so no chance of getting any replacement film until next Monday or Tuesday.

Bowfinger: Reel 4 has at least 15 splices (all with real footage missing, not just cuts) and perf damage throughout the reel

All but about 30 seconds of the end-credits are cut off

The trailer(s) that are supposed to be attached are missing

A lab splice that was so far out of line it would have derailed the film in the projector


Blair Witch: So full of static electricity that I had to stick extra guards around the film pack to keep it from getting thrown

Perf damage in two reels

"Attached" trailer missing


Not only that, but both films had broken/falling apart split reels, loose/torn/stringless reel bands and of course the usual bent cans.

But hey, at least they arrived on time (TES's version of on-time -- 1 day early).

As Erika said....AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHH!!

Mike

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Joe Redifer
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Why oh why does our industry have to be blessed with the existence of Technicolor Entertainment Services? Except for a few nice ladies whose job it is to answer the phone and nothing more (they know nothing about film), everybody I have ever spoken to at Technicolor has been lacking in the mental department in some way. That is the only explanation that I can come up with! They do not seem in the least bit interested in solving any of my problems with them.

A week ago, we got "For Love of the Field of Dreams" and "Blue Streak" from TES, and a print of "Mumford" Every single reel in "Mumford" was broken, and a few broken reels were also in the other two prints. We built them up as carefully as we could so as not to damage the film, since broken reels are completely useless! Anyway, I called Technicolor and politely asked them to send me 10 empty plastic reels for replacements. "No problem, we'll get those out to you right away" the happy female voice on the other end proclaimed. We have received no replacements yet.

Something must be done about TES. I have never had a good experience with them. I don't think that anybody has. I think that perhaps the studios are the only ones who can make a difference now. I know every person on this forum wants to exhibit the movies the way the studios want us to. But TES makes this completely impossible. So attention studio executives: TES is ruining your film! The evidence is overwhelming!

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Jim Ziegler
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Do any of you ever have Technicolor showing up on Monday to get a print that doesn't close until Thursday? I run into this once a month.. Woe to Technicolor if they try to charge me for a missed print...

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 09-25-1999 06:34 AM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yes, I have had that happen many times! And they do try to charge! Of course, we don't pay.

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Aaron Sisemore
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 - posted 09-26-1999 01:19 AM      Profile for Aaron Sisemore   Email Aaron Sisemore   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
OR on the other side of that coin: I have had a few prints (Phenomenon, Madeline) which sat for several MONTHS in the booth gathering dust, We tried in vain several times to get Airborne to take the damned things, but they didnt want them. Calling TES didnt seem to help much either... then one day they came asking for them and we pulled them out of wherever they were sitting and got them the hell outa there..

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Brad Miller
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If only there was a politically correct word I could use to describe TES.

I'm really surprised some crazed projectionist out there hasn't torched the building yet. One day soon projectionists will be the butt of the same jokes everyone has tagged postal workers with. Come on guys, you know how you get when you're up in that dark room all day trying to provide a top notch presentation to your customers and you get a Technicolor print in with all broken reels. Remember that mental image of the reel splitting apart while you were unwinding it and then chasing the ever unwinding roll of film down the endless hallway...all the while destroying that reel? (This happens once to everyone and then learn to use the Goldberg split reel from that point on.) How many of you have cut open your hand due to a break in the flange of a TES reel? Is it possible for a TES reel NOT to wobble on the rewind shaft? Can anything think of two words more annoying than "integrity inspected"? What the hell does that mean? I'll tell you...some 16 year old who has never touched a film before is unwinding the first 20 feet of film of each reel onto the floor, looking at it and saying "uh, yeah I guess it's fine". And on goes the sticker! How many out there typically spend an hour a week on the phone...on hold with TES? Has the "print department" EVER actually called anyone back, as promised by the nice ladies who answer the phones? How many of you have sat ALL NIGHT at your theaters because that print is promised to be delivered 2 hours from the phone call. Another phone call comes "just one more hour"...then another, and another, and another. Finally you get your print at 3PM Friday afternoon! Gee, ETS has depots spread nicely around the continent!

Do the studios REALLY have no idea what's going on at Technicolor??? If they do, then they clearly don't care. If they don't, will someone who can get through to a higher up please tell them?

SMPTE and Kodak needs to have a "recommended practice" of "No print who's end result is to provide an entertaining and excellent presentation shall be handled by Technicolor!"

Sorry for the rant guys, but until I find that Army surplus store I've gotta vent somehow.

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Aaron Sisemore
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The following is ripped directly from Technicolor's website(With a few of my own comments added)for your enjoyment ( or enragement as the case may be)...

In 1993, Technicolor entered the
arena of physical distribution of
motion picture release prints as a
result of the need to add value to the
core services that Technicolor had
provided for over three-quarters of a
century. The distribution model
employed was based on two
distribution centers located in
Wilmington, Ohio and Ontario,
California. Within a one-hour flight
from 60% of the U.S. population and
at the source of a spoke and hub air
transportation system, TES can react
quickly and efficiently to changing
conditions, including transport
related such as weather and market
related such as release strategies.
Intrinsic to the model and TES's core
tenets are the following:

Security - from the time a print
leaves the laboratory, each
step is recorded and
monitored by sophisticated
information technology
including GPS tracking,
secured warehouses and
bar-coding.

...Then how do you explain all these 'free' or 'lost' prints or prints with DUPLICATE PRINT NUMBERS (I have had a couple instances of this happen, honest...) laying around in theatres all over the country?

Quality - with a quality zoned
environmentally controlled
warehouse, integrity checks
and proactive logistics
management, TES ensures
only the highest quality print are
on screen.

...You have GOT to be kidding... What a joke. Nuff said.

Outsourcing - by providing 7
x 24 customer service, reel
replacements and circuit
management, TES allows its
customers to focus on revenue
and cash flow generating
activities.

...Those 'cash flow generating activities' usually involve the sales of consessions to disgruntled patrons that came to see a new print rather than a scratched, shoe polished mess missing leaders and tails etc etc that came as an 'integrity inspected' print from TES... '7x24'? I think they meant '24/7' Of course thats how much time you spend on HOLD when calling TES...

Speed to Market - by
employing modern logistics,
more prints can move to more
markets faster, better and
cheaper.

...Did this include buying a controlling interest in Airborne and Sky Courier by chance? Or maybe thats the other way around? Hell if I know

Aaron



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George Roher
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"Proactive logistics management" sounds like one of those phony and meaningless phrases that bad students use to try and impress their teachers. Technicolor manages their logistics pretty well. They have managed to eliminate logic from the film exhibition industry. If you put logic aside, what's wrong with shipping out the wrong reels or trying to pick up a print while it is still on screen? Nothing really. You just have to properly manage your logistical instincts so it won't bother you.

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Erika Hellgren
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 - posted 10-01-1999 06:10 PM      Profile for Erika Hellgren   Email Erika Hellgren   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Gosh, it seems each week I have a new Technicolor story - I never tire of telling them.
So, this week was the Hell week (you know about my eight new prints and two to tear down by midnight story if you read my "too many movies" post). Well, before I even had a chance to go in yesterday, I got a call from my theatre telling me that Technicolor wouldn't be delivering my two prints of American Beauty till Friday morning at 10. The first show, of course, being at 12. And on top of that, Plunkett and Macleane wouldn't be delivered till midnight Thursday - right around the time I had to have two prints down for Airborne. Thursday ended up being a late night, and Friday an early morning. I was talking to the Airbourne guy who delivered AB about all the prints he must have had to deliver on Thursday. He told me that they were notified at 5pm Thurs. that they had 24 prints of PandM to get out by 8pm. He said he laughed in Technicolor's face.
P.S. The American Beauty prints were both used!!!!! More on that in another topic

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George Roher
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Here we go again. I was building "Music Of the Heart" tonight for a sneak preview and I was treated to the full complement of Technicolor's specialties. Half the reels were broken. It was half heads/half tails. Reel 3 had the shipping band for reel 4, and vice versa. Reel 6 had no shipping band but reel 2 had two shipping bands carefully wrapped around it. The print also came with the obligatory lab splice in the middle of the frame. But wait, there's more! The cans contained a TAP alignment letter from Michael Crichton, instructing me to properly focus and frame "13th Warrior". A difficult task since I don't have it.

Another dumb occurrence: I was building "Crazy In Alabama" Thursday and in one can was a note from Sony Pictures stating the film was flat/1:1.85, and of course it is scope! But that isn't a Technicolor gripe

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Joe Redifer
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Yes, Sony sucks. Even their dumb ass movie studio.

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